Joe:

Had to laugh about your dobermans being big babies. A customer of mine has a doberman and we think of that couple as a poodle owners rather than a doberman.

Anyway, some Amish were making custom kitchen cabinets in his home when ol Brandy took off. When one of the Amish heard of the owners plight he told him not to worry he would fetch him. Sure enough a short time later here comes the doberman walking dutifully at the Amish's side. When the owner asked him how he did that he said something like "It's all in your mannerism and how you talk to them"

Anyway, Joe, welcome to you and yours to LCT. It's a pretty nifty group.

Cheers! Ray