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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20802 08/13/06 04:55 PM
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While eye drops are on the prohibited items list, I would think you could still carry on up to 4 oz. as a non-prescription medication. I would make sure they are in a bottle that clearly labels them as eye drops. Tom.

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20803 08/14/06 12:41 AM
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They are leaving this to the discretion of the TSA at the airport. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Today, no line at MCO at 0500.



Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20804 08/14/06 04:02 AM
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Returned yesterday from Charlotte to Tucson (thru Dallas on AA). We arrived at the Charlotte airport about 2 1/2 hours before flight - too early! It took us about 10 minutes to go through security. Now that passengers know what must be checked through rather than carried on (although that keeps changing - now lipstick is ok), it seems all is back to normal. Of course this was on a Sunday. Good luck to all of our Monday business travelers!


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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20805 08/14/06 03:30 PM
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Just want to pass along an update from Bart, a Lead Screener for TSA and flyertalker.

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Dancing within SSI guidelines, the general prohibitions consist of: liquids, gels and aerosols including beverages, perfume/cologne, shampoo, suntan lotion, creams, toothpaste, hair gel, hair spray and other items of similar consistency.

These items are not permitted past the security checkpoint but may be packed inside checked luggage or disposed prior to entering the checkpoint or abandoned at the checkpoint.

Here are the exceptions (permitted items):

Baby forumula/milk and baby food in small containers if a baby or small child is traveling.

Prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket.

Essential non-prescription medicines not to exceed 4 ounces.

Liquids and gels for diabetic passengers who require these for their medical conditions. Quantities are limited to no more than 8 ounces per container.

Supervisors are allowed to exercise judgment for the generally prohibited items when carried by persons with disabilities, but these items need to be specifically screened for explosives.

Here are some clarifications:

Duty free items are permitted as long as these items are given to the passenger either immediately before boarding the aircraft or after they have boarded. In other words, the airlines/duty free representatives maintain control of these items until boarding time.

Lipstick tubes and lip balms are NOT considered gels under these prohibitions.

Water associated with religious ceremonies ARE prohibited.

Gel-packs used as coolants for storing prescription drugs are permitted as long as the drugs meet the criteria stated above.

Gel-based removable insoles are prohibited. Gel-type material integrated into the foundation of the footwear by the manufacturer are allowed as long as they show no signs of tampering.


Clarifications regarding the removal of shoes:

Persons with disabilities, including elderly persons who have trouble removing shoes, are permitted to keep their footwear on but must undergo explosives detection screening.

Persons who generally cause WTMD alarms due to surgical implants but are able to remove their footwear must remove their footwear.

DISCLAIMER:

For the Nervous Nellies: these are the advisements we would give to passengers anyway, so don't bother me with your SSI bullsh*t. You can PM me with your objections and they will be duly noted and ignored. An informed public is a cooperative public.

Today being Monday, August 14, we can anticipate that all the head honchos in TSA, DHS, the airlines and other interested groups will get together to review the procedures used this past weekend. We can assume that there will be plenty of discussions involving how the prohibitions can be modified, if additional restrictions can be eased by using quantity limits to mitigate the threat as well as other modifications and clarifications. Personally, I think we can expect changes made that will go into effect Tuesday morning



Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20806 08/14/06 03:52 PM
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Thank you Marc, it is good to hear we can bring lipstick, if not our other makeup, according to what you have told us.

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20807 08/20/06 02:40 PM
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After having my bag ending up in New Orleans once, twice being searched by TSA leaving their card behind, and wasting lots of time waiting for the bag to come off carousel (you should have seen the overloaded belt at Orlando on Friday), I am going to just carry my bag tomorrow. With the new rules here , the only thing I will have to do without is toothpaste which the hotel will supply. Of course, I am still at the whim of the random interpretation by the TSA. Reading over the list, I was suprised to find this:

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To ensure the health and welfare of certain air travelers the following items are permitted.

Small amounts of Baby formula and breast milk if a baby or small child is traveling
Liquid prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger’s ticket
Up to 5 oz. (148ml) of liquid or gel low blood sugar treatment
Up to 4 oz. of essential non-prescription liquid medications including saline solution, eye care products and KY jelly
Gel-filled bras and similar prostethics
Gel-filled wheelchair cushions
Life support and life sustaining liquids such as bone marrow, blood products, and transplant organs carried for medical reasons
Am I the only one who thinks it strange that we can't carry toothpaste onboard but we can carry KY helly? :mad: confused confused :mad:

They are saying we can't have a 0.5 oz tube of Neosporin but we can have a 4oz tube of KY. :mad: I have some very expensive medicated cream that I will carry onboard; I better not have an issue with the folks at the airport.

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...more of your government tax dollars at work:

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John Mark Karr, the suspect in the death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, sipped champagne and ate fried king prawns in business class Sunday after being put aboard a flight to Los Angeles to face charges in the United States.

The 41-year-old teacher sat in a business class window seat next to Mark Spray, an investigator with the Boulder District Attorney's office. A U.S. Embassy official and an agent with ''Homeland Security'' on his T-shirt were also part of the escort party.

Before takeoff, Karr took a glass of champagne from a flight attendant and clinked glasses with Spray, who sipped orange juice.

Dinner on board, served on a starched white tablecloth with silverware, was one many passengers would envy. Karr started with a pate, then had a green salad with walnut dressing. The main course was fried king prawn with steamed rice and broccoli. Karr drank a beer, crushing the can with his hands when it was empty, then moved on to a glass of French chardonnay with his main course.



Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20808 08/20/06 03:49 PM
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KY jelly? is that so the govt can................................................................................. <img border="0" alt="[c]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> oh never mind!

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20809 08/20/06 04:17 PM
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Marc,

I watched Dateline last night, in regard to the JonBenet Ramsey case and the investigation currently underway of John Mark Karr. That blurb about Karr's dining experience, in Business Class (of all places), is flat-out despicable.


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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20810 08/20/06 04:24 PM
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I'm speechless.

KY is OK, toothpaste not.

A prisoner gets champagne, we can't have water.

Is the world completely insane!!!???


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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20811 08/21/06 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by Marc:
Am I the only one who thinks it strange that we can't carry toothpaste onboard but we can carry KY helly? :mad: confused confused :mad:

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Well, without the toothpaste... :ohmy:


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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20812 08/21/06 05:30 AM
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Its amazing how they really think stopping toothpaste or hair gel is a key to tightening security, My best friend is a US Air Marshall and he tells me stories all the time, at the time of 911 there like 28 active Marshalls in the sky, after 911 they hired like 50k, and now when one quits they do not hire another one, just another stupid reactive measure the goverment takes and spends all our tax money, my friend told me that all they have to do is spend more money on bomb detection equipment at the security gates, and all luggage, not hundreds of millions of dollars on US Marshalls flying the friendly skies at random... I would love to check all my baggage on a vacation, but we all know what happens sometimes with the airlines, they lose everthing..and in my case I would have to go shopping in a city for a size 16 dress shoe..
Good luck on that one, I would be going to dinner on Regent in black socks..

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We have never cleared security so quickly in London. Dont know why but there was no one in front of us in the security line. Only problem we had was we did not have a small enough bag to carry on. I am sure they will stay with the smaller requirement and there will be a new array of bags on the market to the new dimensions that are being allowed. It really was the easiest time we have ever had in London. One extra security measure was a line at the gate to double check our carryons but they just waved Ken and I through.

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20814 08/21/06 05:28 PM
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These restrictions are not overbearing if you already are planning on checking luggage. In fact, they make life much easier as boarding is not delayed by all finding place for their luggage and it is easier walking through screening with empty hands. These restrictions, however, etremely impact those that do not check bags at all. Think of a flight attendant if he/she had to go collect bags at the end of a daily run? What happens if he/she had to be placed on another route and all of a sudden the bags are off in another direction. Such can also be the case for business travellers. One of the hardest things last week was not having option to change flights. If you check bags, you have to fly with your bags. It also cost me an extra three hours of time (flew three days last week) checking bags and waiting for luggage and filing a lost baggage claim. Since it doesn't impact the predominance of the public, I think it has been hard to bring on an outpouring of complaints in US like there have been in UK. Of course, in another two months I won't care either. :D



Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20815 08/21/06 05:33 PM
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I wonder if this increase in checked luggage has resulted in a greater incidence of lost luggage.


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With MUSH coming up, I'm really worried about that. I usually pack enough in my carry-on for a couple of days, but have no idea how they would get luggage to the ship as we travel around Alaska.

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20817 08/21/06 05:55 PM
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Olivia, you can still carry on a couple of days of clothes, just no toothpaste, or any other liquid or gel cosmetic. It is really not that big a deal if you are already checking at least one bag.

There is an airport in Ketchican.

Denise, the luggage belt on Friday night came to a screeching halt twice. Ther were offloading two planes at once. They were putting bags on sideways and placing them right next to each other since there were so many bags. It was amazing.



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Marc, I will tell you that "liquids" are not my problem, clothes are! Regent has this wonderful little "pack" they give you (my personal experience) if your luggage does not come through that has deoderant, toothpaste, toothbrush, mouthwash, shaving gel, brush, comb, hairspray and all the personal stuff you would ever need.. I know this because once my checked baggage did not make it for 4 days! Wait a sec, you and Arlene went through this! I am going to pack that carry-on with as many clothes as I can fit in! No liquids!

Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20819 08/21/06 07:16 PM
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Just returned (8/19) from Baltic cruise on the Voyager and had to really think about what we could and could not take in carry on luggage. Our luggage with our toothpaste, mouthwash, etc. had to be outside the cabin at 11 p.m. We ended up putting some toothpaste on a dish, mouthwash in a glass and put deodorant on before going to sleep. I wasn't sure if I could take mascara in my handbag so I put it on thick before going to sleep (rather dumb -- had to peel it off when I got home:-)

The hard part was yet to come. Copenhagen airport is totally unprepared for American bound flights. All flights to the U.S. were delayed a minimum of 2 hours. The New Jersey flight was cancelled. Our flight (to Seattle) and a flight to Chicago waited approximately 2 hours to go through some special documentation check (lines so long we could not see the end). It took 2-5 minutes per person to be processed. Then both flights got into another line to go through our 2nd x-ray (only one machine). Anything that was in your handbag, camera bag or carry-on that was no longer allowed, it was placed in a box that was labeled and addressed and could be picked up at your destination with your luggage. Once on board we waited another 2 hours for everyone to clear security and get on board.

We are not sure how U.S. airports are handling things since we the in the air when the terror plot was announced. Just want to share our recent experience so you can be prepared.

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Originally posted by Marc:
Am I the only one who thinks it strange that we can't carry toothpaste onboard but we can carry KY helly? :mad: confused confused :mad:

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Well, without the toothpaste... :ohmy:
Did you really say that? <img border="0" alt="[c]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" />

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My daughter reported waiting for her luggage in Atlanta for over an hour last Friday evening. She was on Delta. I have read that checked luggage has increased by 60% and of course this means increasing # of luggage handlers.

I flew to Atlanta on Saturday from Tucson. Very few items in overhead bins so loading was easier. I was one of the few who brought a carry-on for the overhead. My checked piece of luggage was waiting for me by the time I arrived in baggage claim. Of course I always walk from the gate rather than riding the underground subway in Atlanta's airport. I had the time and needed the exercise!

Editing to say: I took two carry-on sized bags for a week's stay. Put clothes and prescriptions in the bag on plane. Put banned items (make-up, toothpaste, etc) shoes and other clothes in the checked bag. I also carry a computer bag that doubles for my purse and there isn't any room for prescription type things in it thus the carry-on bag for the plane. It worked fine except trying to negotiate two bags onto the subway to the hospital. I'm here to help take care of my Dad.

I think we will soon see items packaged in a way to allow some of the banned items to be placed in carry-on's. A great opportunity for alert entrepreneurs!


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Re: New Airline Restrictions! Terror Alert! #20822 08/25/06 10:21 AM
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More incompetence from TSA and FAM.

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2 Jets Diverted for Security Reasons

BANGOR, Maine (AP) -- An American Airlines flight from England to Chicago was forced to land here Friday for security reasons, and a U.S. Airways jet was diverted to Oklahoma City after a federal air marshal subdued a passenger who was involved in an incident with a flight attendant, officials said.

Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Arlene Murray said American Airlines Flight 55 out of Manchester was diverted to Bangor for security reasons but would not elaborate. FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz also declined to discuss the nature of the problem.

"We're responding to determine the cause of the diversion. It's going to take a number of hours for passengers to be interviewed," Marcinkiewicz said.

The Boeing 767 carrying 167 passengers and 12 crew members was diverted at the request of the Transportation Security Administration, airline spokesman John Hotard said.

"Nothing is wrong. We will put a new crew on it, and the flight will continue to Chicago," Hotard said. "The TSA had a security concern about the flight, and the concern has been addressed."

A TSA spokeswoman said the agency was preparing a statement.

Hotard declined to say whether any passengers were removed from the flight, but said the flight crew needed to be changed because of restrictions on how many hours they can work.

At Oklahoma City's Will Rogers World Airport, law enforcement officers were questioning the passenger involved in the incident that led to the diversion of the U.S. Airways flight, airline spokesman Morgan Durrant said. The Charlotte, N.C.-bound flight had left Phoenix at 6:15 a.m.

Durrant did not disclose the nature of the problem between the passenger and the flight attendant. Officials at the airport and the FBI did not immediately return telephone calls.

A passenger interviewed by a television station said an air marshal tackled the man, but that it wasn't clear what prompted the incident.

The Airbus A321 was to resume its flight to Charlotte, Durrant said. There were 141 people on board, including crew members.

Can you imagine diverting a plane - the cost to the airline and the passengers - and saying "nothing is wrong, we will put a new crew on it." :mad: :mad: :mad:

Then a FAM goes ballistic and the only passenger they interview doesn't know of anything to provoke the attack? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Please save us from the TSA and the FAMS!!

I'm not fearful of terrorists getting in the way of MUSH; I'm fearful of some of our government "employees" getting in the way. :mad:

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Here is the (lame) response from TSA:

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Washington, D.C. - Today American Airlines flight 55 from Manchester, England to Chicago, Ill. was diverted to Bangor, Maine. The Transportation Security Administration learned of a reported threat to the aircraft while it was en route. Given the current threat level, the agency, in conjunction with other federal authorities, took prudent action to assure the safety of the passengers and crew.

The plane has landed safely and passengers are being de-planed while TSA canines search the airplane. Responders are on the scene and the FBI will be interviewing the passengers and crew to further assess the situation.

Edited to add yet another story. This one is so confusing that I think I need a couple shots of scotch before I can figure it out.

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Flight Lands In Newark After Dynamite Found In Luggage

HOUSTON -- A college student's checked luggage on a Continental Airlines flight to Houston from Argentina on Friday contained dynamite, and federal authorities are investigating why he had it and what he intended to do with it, an FBI spokeswoman said.
"Certainly we are doing a thorough investigation and trying to find out what this individual's intention was in trying to bring dynamite here," FBI spokeswoman Shauna Dunlap said Friday.
The dynamite was found during a luggage search in a federal inspection station at Bush Intercontinental Airport shortly after Continental Flight 52 landed about 6 a.m. Friday. Marlene McClinton, spokeswoman for the Houston Airport System, said a bomb-sniffing dog "had a hit" on explosive residue during a further search.
She said Customs and Border Patrol and the FBI shut down the customs area and began questioning the passenger who had the luggage. The identity and age of the passenger, a man, were not released.
Houston Fire Department Assistant Chief Omero Longoria said the man told fire officials that he works in mining and often handles explosives, so that would explain the residue. He said federal officials were investigating whether the man's explanation was true, and the fire department's role in the probe ended upon determining the man's bag did not contain a bomb.
Dunlap declined to release specifics, but confirmed that the explosive was dynamite. She said authorities were "sifting through facts" and would release more information as the investigation progresses.
Dunlap also said the man was from Connecticut and attends Lafayette College in Easton, Pa.
Continental spokeswoman Julie King said the CBP contacted the carrier when the dog detected the explosive. She said the flight left Buenos Aires, Argentina, and had 173 passengers onboard.
McClinton said the explosive was removed from the airport and the incident caused no airport disruptions.
After departing Houston, Flight 52 was kept from the terminal when it landed at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey about 1:40 p.m., said Marc La Vorgna, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the airport's operator.
"It's been brought to a secure area of the airport for some additional security screening. Passengers are being bused to the terminal," La Vorgna said. "It had nothing to do with any individual passengers, from what I understand. This is more precautionary than anything else."
The Port Authority later said Continental Flight 52 was searched at Newark Liberty International Airport and nothing was found.
So, was their just dynamite residue or actually dynamite on the plane? If they removed it in Houston, why did they search the plane in Newark? They don't trust Texans?



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MERCY! You MUSHers better behave on your flights! - :) Michele


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Marc, why do you think these incidents indicate the TSA and the Federal Air Marshalls are being incompetent? It looks to me like they're doing their job!!
There was someone whose name is the same as someone on the terror watch list on the AA flight. Unfortunately, the airlines don't release their passenger lists to the TSA until the flight takes off (apparently they'll be forced to release the list earlier beginning next month). When the name was identified, the TSA diverted the plane. If I were on that plane, I'd want the thing on the ground and that person off. If it isn't the person on the terror list, so be it, I still don't want him on the plane.
The incident with the Air Marshall on US Air was a drunk passenger who refused to comply with the flight attendent and who got beligerent. If the Air Marshall hadn't subdued the passenger, someone (probably the flight attendant) would have been hurt. Now isn't it the job of the Air Marshalls to protect the crew and the passengers??? Again, if I were on that plane, I'd want the perp off the plane for heavens sakes.
In Houston, it was dynamite they found along with other components that could be used to make a bomb. The flight came from Argentina where perhaps they don't search the bags like we do here--and certainly TSA doesn't inspect the luggage there. A bomb sniffing dog in Houston actually found the dynamite. So again, TSA did their job.
You say you're confused--but I'm confused about why you think these incidents show incompetence?


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Fair questions.

First, the AA flight from MAN was due to Flight Attendant overhearing passengers talking. It sounds like they might have panicked. Last think we need is panicky flight attendants.

WRT CO flight in Houston, it was just "dynamite residue." In other words, the bomb sniffing dogs sniffed something. No dynamite; at least from what I heard before. Now there is a report that a bomb may have been placed on plane in Argentina. The confusing thing is why Newark reinspected plane after it already been inspected (and bags offloaded) in Houston.

It is not the job of Air Marshalls to protect crew and passengers from drunks. It is their job to protect from hijackers or other terrorist activity.

Why I think they show incompetence is the continual cry of "wolf." Last week they emptied the airport in Huntington WV due to a "false positive" on bomb sniffer. Here is a list of diversions and other events in last two weeks.

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8/10 LHR: Liquid-bomb scare panic
8/10 AC7652 YUL-IAD: bomb scare
8/10 COxxx MAN-EWR: pakistani pilot Amar Ashraf refused as stand-by
8/16 Monarch Airlines AGP-MAN: two Arabic speaking British removed
8/16 UA923 LHR-IAD: diverted to BOS because of unruly passenger mumbling about Pakistan
8/17 South African Express Airways flight RBC-JNB: diverted to DUR due to bomb scare phone call
8/18 Excel Airways flight LGW- HRG: emergency landing at BDS after bomb scare note
8/19 AAxxx DFW-MIA: emergency landing at TPA because of two locked lavatory doors
8/19 DL6492 ATL-SAT: surrounded by FBI agents on arrival because of tampering with smoke detector
8/21 CZ325 CAN-SYD: returns to CAN after discovery of bomb scare note
8/22 TRS372 ATL-LGA: diverted to CLT when FA finds a strangely smelling water bottle
8/23 Thomas Cook flight grounded at LTN after discovery of scare note
8/23 NW42 AMS-BOM: returns to AMS after incident with 12 Indian nationals
8/25 EI112 JFK-DUB: diverted and evacuated at SNN due to bomb scare phone call
Not one terrorist has been charged yet thousands of passengers inconvenienced (or worse) and costing airlines millions.

Somebody is probably having fun sitting somewhere in the world with a cell phone we are no longer allowed to trace calling various airlines, papers, or government authorities and laughing all the time.

Peggy, you can tell this is a hot button for me. I should probably keep to the rules of the site and not post more of these episodes.



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It's OK Marc--post away. I'm just very much in the mood to err on the side of caution these days. There's bad guys out there trying to get us and I'm willing to endure quite a bit of inconvenience in my life to avoid not having a life. However, I'm no longer travelling every week like you do for business, so all these precautions are probably less frustrating when you only have to endure them on an occasional basis. Bottom line with me though is better safe than sorry. Hang in there, Marc--hopefully when you move to Tokyo you won't have to travel as much.


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