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Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:22 PM
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Just saw this over at CruiseMates: It was just reported on Headline News that 11 tourists from the cruise ship Millenium were killed in Northern Chile when their tour bus plunged off a cliff. Many of them were Americans.
Sounds like they were on a shore excursion and this bus accident occurred.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:31 PM
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Now that is scary...especially to ME and Tom!!! Very sad news! Let me know if you hear more Marc.....
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:35 PM
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What a tragic story - going to tv now -
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:36 PM
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Here is the CNN report: SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- A bus carrying tourists from a cruise ship plunged off a cliff in the highlands of northern Chile Wednesday and officials said 11 people were killed, most believed to be U.S. citizens.
Juan Carlos Poli, a spokesman for the city of Arica, 1,250 miles north of Santiago, said an undetermined number of tourists were injured.
"Rescue crews are working in the area, but we have confirmed 11 people killed, most of them from the United States," Poli said.
He said the tourists were from the Bahamas-registered Millennium cruise ship and had been visiting the area near this city in the border with Peru and Bolivia.
The accident occurred in the road between Arica and the Bolivian capital city of La Paz.
Poli said the cause of the accident had not yet been determined, but he added that the road was "very curvy ... a dangerous road."
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:41 PM
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Such a tremendously sad and tragic accident.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:47 PM
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This is so sad to hear!! Wow...
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 02:50 PM
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Updated report: SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- A bus carrying tourists from a cruise ship plunged into a ravine Wednesday in the highlands of northern Chile and officials said 11 people were killed, most believed to be U.S. citizens.
The bus was carrying tourists from a Bahamas-registered Millennium cruise ship for a visit to a national park outside of Arica, a city 1,250 miles north of Santiago, near the border with Peru and Bolivia, said Juan Carlos Poli, a municipal spokesman for Arica.
Poli said an undetermined number of tourists were injured in the accident. Regional governor Patricia Perez said a preliminary report by police put the number hurt at 5.
"Rescue crews are working in the area, but we have confirmed 11 people killed, most of them apparently from the United States," Poli said.
The bus had a capacity for 54 passengers, but Poli said it was not immediately known how many people were on board.
The accident occurred about 28 miles northeast of Arica on the road to the Bolivian capital city of La Paz.
"We still do not know the cause of the accident, but the road passes several cliffs and is very curvy ... a dangerous road," Poli told The Associated Press by telephone.
The tourists were returning to the ship, which had arrived in Arica earlier in the day, after visiting the Chungara Lake in the Lauca National Park, at an altitude of 13,000 feet
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 03:22 PM
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Very, Very sad....
I am always concerned in 3rd world countries when I see those buses the cruise lines use and wonder how well maintained they are. I know RSSC has some very high standards, which I learned when talking to some of the transportation companies. Some of the busses I've seen are scary (NOT RSSC)
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 03:33 PM
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WOW how sad!! Not to mention scary!!
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 04:14 PM
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Update from Celebrity: SEVERAL BELIEVED KILLED OR INJURED IN BUS ACCIDENT Miami - (March 22, 2006 ) - Several people are believed killed or injured in a bus accident in Arica, Chile. The guests were sailing aboard Celebrity Cruises' Millennium. They were on an independent private tour, not affiliated with the cruise line. The accident occurred at approximately 4:30 p.m. local time. The injured have been taken to a local hospital, and a doctor and nurse from Millennium have been sent to the hospital to assist the injured and notify the families of the deceased. The ship is currently sailing a 14-night South American cruise that departed Valparaiso, Chile, on March 19 and is scheduled to conclude in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on April 2. The cause of the accident has not been determined, and Celebrity Cruises is working in close coordination with Chilean authorities to assist in their investigation. Celebrity Cruises will provide additional information regarding this matter as it becomes available. Information will also be posted on the Celebrity Cruises web site at www.celebrity.com.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 04:45 PM
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I heard the same report you just quoted Marc. And, then I hear the newscaster ask something along the lines of "aren't there some sort of regulations the cruise line has to follow? yada, yada, yada.
Please don't think me hard hearted. I'm very sorry for the deaths of these passengers. Unfortunately, in 3rd (or even 2nd) world countries, standards are not as high and accidents happen. It made me think about some of our recent excursions. In this instance, if it was truly a private excursion, it isn't the cruise line's fault (although I'm sure they will be sued). Sorry, but I am so tired of the blame game.
I'm off my soapbox now and my thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 05:41 PM
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Would a shore excursion be deemed an independent tour? It's through a third party vendor!
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 05:49 PM
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I don't know, Kathy. It says "independent private tour". I take that to mean a tour the passengers arranged on their own. Also, even in the case of ship sponsored shore excursions, I've seen verbage that says something like "if you are hurt, we aren't responsible."
Like I said, I'm so sorry this happened but traveling invovles a certain amount of risk.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:08 PM
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Quote from Donna: "Also, even in the case of ship sponsored shore excursions, I've seen verbage that says something like "if you are hurt, we aren't responsible."
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Call me cold hearted too, Donna. If it were my cruise line I'd have this language too, if it pertained to third parties. You just don't have control of the product.
But not cold hearted enough to not feel bad for those folks and their families. Sad.
Robert
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:10 PM
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All the legal-eze is to their benefit. Just the way of life because everyone is so busy with litigation. Sad state of affairs really.
Anyway, yes, very sorry situation for those onboard that ship and the injured and their families.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:29 PM
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New statement from Celebrity: SEVERAL BELIEVED KILLED OR INJURED IN BUS ACCIDENT - (March 22, 2006 -- 10:00 p.m.) - Celebrity Cruises is working in close coordination with Chilean and U.S. authorities to provide assistance in the aftermath of today's tragic bus accident involving guests sailing onboard Millennium. "On behalf of everyone at Celebrity Cruises, I would like to express our deepest sympathies to our guests and their families regarding the deaths and injuries that occurred today," said Dan Hanrahan, president of Celebrity Cruises. "We continue to make every effort to provide comfort and assistance to our guests and their families who have been affected by this tragic accident." Preliminary information indicates that 11 guests were killed and three injured in the accident that occurred near Arica, Chile. The guests were on an independent private tour, not affiliated with the cruise line. The accident occurred at approximately 4:30 p.m. local time. The injured have been taken to a local hospital. A doctor and nurse from Millennium have been sent to the hospital to assist the injured and local medical authorities. Millennium departed Valparaiso, Chile, on March 19, on a 14-night sailing that is scheduled to conclude in Fort Lauderdale on April 2. Today's accident occurred on the fourth day of the cruise and the ship will remain in Arica, Chile, until further notice. The ship was carrying approximately 1,536 guests and 920 crew members. Celebrity Cruises has established two toll-free phone lines for family members of guests sailing on this cruise. Callers in North America should dial 1-888-829-4050. Callers from outside North America should dial the following number collect 305-539-4050. These numbers are for family members only, and the company requests that the general public not use these numbers so family members of those onboard the ship may receive information in a timely manner. Celebrity Cruises Vice President for Marine Operations John Krousouloudis is leading a special assistance team from the company that is being dispatched to the ship to help its guests and crew. Celebrity Cruises reported the incident to the U.S. Consulate, U.S. Coast Guard, and Bahamian authorities. The company is working in close coordination those organizations and Chilean authorities to assist the injured and those onboard the ship. The cause of the accident has not been determined, and Celebrity Cruises will be actively involved in the investigation. Celebrity Cruises will provide additional information regarding this matter as it becomes available. Information will also be posted on the Celebrity Cruises web site at www.celebrity.com. I guess they had no choice but to leave the ship there. However, I can't imagine Arica being a great place for replenishing provisions, if needed. I wonder if they will go straight to Ft Lauderdale after leaving in order to get back on schedule; maybe even flying current guests home from their next port.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:30 PM
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The cruise lines always have all sorts of stuff that you sign off on before you board the ship. Like ChatKat said, "legal-eze" But they are a business contracting with other parties outside the US and it is understandable they try to protect themselves. Whether it holds up is up to the courta.
It has always amazed me in my travels around the world how few guard rails there are on those hairpin turns going up and down mountains, as I remember in Switzland many years ago, and Italy on the Amalfie coast. A bus just doesn't have the chance to correct an error in steering when there is no rail. Nothing to hold it back if a mistake.
Editing here to add my sorrow at what has happened to these travelers. I had been talking with others on the board through e-mail about this, and just realized I did not focus on the substance of the event here. We never know, home or abroad, on a street here or there what will happen to us.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:35 PM
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Olivia,
When we were in Amalfi, we were on a HUGE NEW European bus. The driver's tires literally came so close to the edge of the cliffs several times, albeit at 2 mph, but, I had to close my eyes or keep the beautiful view in site. One lane roads! Not for the faint hearted.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:41 PM
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Kathy, we were on a very small bus (almost van) driving the Amalfi coast and I still had to close my eyes and say, "good driver, good driver."
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:44 PM
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I chose a private driver for that Amalfi coast thing! Good investment! Besides, he stopped several times along the way for photo ops! A bus just can do that, as it takes too much time!
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/22/06 06:47 PM
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I was on a two week Tauck tour - not a shore excursion. We had 38 people on a 54 passenger bus. And we did stop frequently for photos.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 10:30 AM
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We did that tour in 1986 and were scared to death at the state of the road and the driving. Besides which, we were not told that the tour took us to about 12,000' which caused seceral passengers to suffer breathing difficulties.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 10:33 AM
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I just heard a report that the people killed were from a B'nai Brith group frpm New Jersey and taht rthe scruise line was flying a Rabbi from the states to take care of the bodies. Very sad indeed.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 10:37 AM
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I've thought MANY times that the adventures I take in other parts of the world could never be done in the US, due to the dangers and risks involved. I do believe that many people have become somewhat innured to the risks they face when they do things in other countries, due to the fact that in the US there are so many safety regulations in place, so many agencies and rules and inspections, that many people come to believe this is just the way things are done. Well, it's NOT done like that in other places. Just on this latest vacation to Costa Rica, there were several things that we did that I distinctly remember thinking could NEVER be done here...at least, not without major changes to the way they do things to accommodate all the safety regulations they'd face.
Donna I agree that we all must be aware of the risks involved in the adventures we take on. I'm a risk-taker myself...and that's a choice I make. I try to be smart about my risks, but I know I have put myself in positions of jeopardy that others wouldn't knowingly choose.
And of course the reality is that accidents can happen anywhere, no matter HOW many regulations have been put in place. Not too long ago there was a horrific bus crash that killed a number of tourists on their way to Vegas. And in October a tour boat carrying a group of senior citizens capsized and sank on an upstate New York lake, killing 20 passengers. The vaguaries of life, I guess. So even WITH all the rules and regulations here in the US, things are not always as safe as we'd like to think.
I did read that the Chile excursion was a privately arranged one. I find it irritating as well that some newscaster immediately began looking to assign blame to the cruiseline. Shouldn't newscaster know a little something of what they're talking about before they start spouting stuff like that?
Oh, as for the Amalfi Coast -- I stayed there several years ago with my sister and...get this...I had a car! You want to talk about a white-knuckled experience -- try DRIVING the entire Amalfi Coast road yourself, with these enormous buses coming at you all day, hogging 75% of the road! EEEEK!
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 11:49 AM
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I may have missed it, but was this excursion one offered by Celebrity or did the group independently set it up?
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 12:09 PM
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 12:14 PM
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There are many hairpin turns and curves on some of these drives. It's terrifying when you see large tour buses attempt to maneuver them. If at all possible, I'd much prefer to go with an independent, seasoned driver, if given the choice.
My heart goes out to all those families who have lost a loved one or are worrying about a loved one who has sustained injuries.
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Re: Celebrity Millenium Shore Excursion Accident
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03/23/06 02:44 PM
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This is tragic and scary. I heard a report that they think the driver had fallen asleep at the wheel.
We had a similar near miss in Alaska 3 years ago following our cruise on the Mariner. My wife and I had just finished our Alaska cruise on the Mariner, and we were in a mini-bus with about 10 other people on our way from Seward to Anchorage. We were all pretty tired, so most of us were trying to get some sleep. One passenger in the back was awake and noticed us starting to weave and swerve on a windy section of road. He could see the driver was about to fall asleep and ran up to wake him up. The driver pulled over immediately and was very shaken - he seemed to be a combination of embarrassed and scared of what would happen (like if he would have a job tommorrow). We stopped for a while and he asked if we wanted him to keep driving. We decided he could drive the rest of the way since we were close and we didn't expect ANYONE would sleep the rest of the drive. We were all very grateful to that passenger who was paying attention.
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