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Interview With Mark Conroy
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From this story in the Sun Sentinel, it looks like the Voyager problem did not have too large of an adverse impact. Regent carves out a profitable cruise niche By Doreen Hemlock, Sun Sentinel
11:46 PM EST, December 17, 2010
2010 was a tough year for many businesses, but not for Regent Seven Seas Cruises.
The Fort Lauderdale-based luxury cruise line is posting its best year ever in revenues and profits. What's more, the three-ship company expects 2011 to stay strong, as customers seek value in its all-inclusive packages that include suites with balconies, gourmet food, bar drinks and even shore excursions, a perk not included in the ticket price of most other cruise lines.
Regent's President Mark Conroy spoke with the SunSentinel about the company, trends in cruising and other topics aboard the 700-passenger Seven Seas Voyager at Port Everglades. What follows is an edited version of the interview.
Q. How can you compete with companies much larger than yours, when they have much more bargaining power with suppliers?
A. We gained some economies, when we joined with [three-ship] Oceania Cruises in 2008 and merged some back-of-the-house operations, such as accounting. But we don't need millions of customers to compete. I need about 70,000 customers a year and Oceania needs a similar number now [to stay full.] That allows us is be a little more nimble in finding those customers.
Regent also relies on repeat customers. On a typical cruise, past customers consume 62 percent of our capacity, because they travel more often and take longer cruises. The travel agents are our secret weapon too, because they tend to recommend us to their friends and their clients in our market.
I see the large lines introducing cruising to probably millions of passengers a year, and they are creating a pool of experienced cruisers, and all I have to do is fish in that pool. I just have to convince them that there's a different way to go cruising — on a smaller, luxury ship, with no line at the port.
We really try to listen to our customers. For our Alaska cruises, we include a one-night pre-cruise hotel package in the price, and if you don't use it, you get a credit for non-use. I'll tell you 70 percent of our cruisers that are booking are taking the package.
Q. What consumer trends do you see in 2011 in food, technology, pricing or other areas?
A. People are looking for healthy food. We added Canyon Ranch spa and their menu selections in 2009. And guests want choice. We have open-seating [for meals,] so you typically dine when you want where you want. Guests also want value. I think the inclusiveness of our product is what really distinguishes us.
Q. What's included in your price, and why did you switch to an all-inclusive format?
When the recession began, we were looking for what to do to get people traveling again and to get them to book early. We didn't want to discount our product, because you end up getting a different mix of customers. Plus, you train customers not to pay $600 a day but to pay $300 a day, and we as a company can't live on $300 a day. So, we looked at what people spend money on and where we could offer value.
We realized that the largest spend anyone had on board was shore excursions. So, we decided to give them away. Any tour we used to sell for $200 or less, we give away, and those that retail for more than $200, with limited capacity, we sell but without a big margin. About 80 percent of the tours that are taken now are the free ones.
This allows us to maintain the rates we have: about $600 per day per person. Our ticket price is probably more expensive than others, but the vacation in the end doesn't cost much more … because so much is included.
Q. How did Regent finish up 2010, and what is the outlook for 2011?
A. The best year in our history had been 2008. The first time we felt the recession was late September 2008 after the stock market made that big adjustment downward. Our customers tend to be high net worth people, so they basically stopped spending because nobody knew where the bottom was. But as the stock market bottomed out, and we did some pretty aggressive promotions, business climbed back.
2010 will be the best year in our history, and 2011 is tracking well. We look at forward bookings. Our average bookings are 240 days before departure, so we can see when things slow down and react to it. What we're seeing now, compared to last year, is that our occupancy is about the same and our rate is up substantially. … We're very profitable.
Q. When this tough economy ends, will you go back to a more traditional model, not all-inclusive?
A. The inclusiveness is going to stay, because it really is a differentiator.
Customers are all about value. And price is not the leading-edge. People want to make sure they have a great experience, don't waste their time and don't get nickel and dimed.
Doreen Hemlock can be reached at dhemlock@sunsentinel.com or 305-810-5009.
Copyright © 2010, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/18/10 03:20 PM
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What we're seeing now, compared to last year, is that our occupancy is about the same and our rate is up substantially. … We're very profitable.
Well that's for sure!
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/18/10 04:14 PM
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yes Olivia
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/20/10 02:57 PM
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Well the TUT problem doesn't really impact them directly since I'm sure most (if not all) was covered by "Business Interruption" Insurance - who knows what will happen to their insurance rates in the future with this following last year's problem during the World Cruise.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/20/10 03:59 PM
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And sometimes, like Peter, you just wonder (please, this is speculation only, just thinking of problems past couple of years) just how many times they can call it in on insurance before their insurance rates become prohibitive. We just don't know when they "suck it up" or go the insurance route. In the end, everybody pays, I guess.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/20/10 05:04 PM
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I think that Apollo is fattening up Regent (and Oceania) for sale. That is why they are taking a chance alienating their customer base to showcase how good the business is going.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/20/10 05:55 PM
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My understanding is that Apollo is an investment (hedge fund?) company. They buy companies with the intent to sell them (whole or in pieces) for more than they paid. I do not believe that they are long term operators. Does that mean that Regent will cease to be Regent if & when Apollo sells them? Nope! But one can expect changes from a buyer looking to recoup as much of the purchase price as fast as possible.
As one wag put it: The only thing that never changes is change.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/20/10 11:48 PM
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I agree with Mark and Doug and I think we will see some kind of merger even though they say no.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/21/10 05:49 PM
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It was an interesting article, but let's not overlook the fact that it was a fluff piece. Not investigative journalism, instead we have the subject giving any answers he wants to questions posed. I'm not saying MC fabricated any information, but this really amounts to no more than receiving "Aunt Sue's" family Christmas newsletter ;) :D
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/21/10 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Marc: I think that Apollo is fattening up Regent (and Oceania) for sale. That is why they are taking a chance alienating their customer base to showcase how good the business is going. Marc, you surely don't think it alienates people to deal with a profitable company?
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/21/10 07:17 PM
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Olivia, no. What I mean is the way it was stated. He stated they were able to imcrease per diems without losing occupancy. There was no reason to say "we are really profitable." He could have just said that they have recovered from the downturn and the per diems have reached pre-recession levels.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/21/10 07:35 PM
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Well yes, you are right, except customer counts, not per diems are back to pre-recession. For sure the per diems are more! I sort of made my own cocky remark above in reaction to his statement. Hey, one thing I have always felt about Mark Conroy is that he says it like it is, in a pretty direct way, at least that is how I have perceived him in town hall meetings, etc. He is in his position to make money for the company. No fault in that, which you seem to allow.
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/22/10 01:22 PM
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My 2 cents:
This is a market focus thingie (sorry for such a tech term). Regent (Apollo) is aiming at a market target. I believe that that target is those with lots of money. That is to say... those who can easily write the check BUT those who want value for said check. (note: most people with lots of money are not stupid.) So, Regent ups the per diem and delivers a truly all-inclusive cruise. Cruisers have an easy & delightful trip. Everyone is happy. Also remember that people with "lots of money" tend not to be twenty year olds looking for dangerous excursions. Bus trips will do nicely, thank you.
I do wonder about all the advertising, though. It must be costing a small fortune. Postal mailings, ads in major travel mags and the amazing number of web ads. I know that they are cheap per showing, but they are everywhere!
So I think we are all agreed that Regent will be sold...some day. When? Who knows? And remember that a new owner might do things better. Or not. Who knows.
Just my 2 cents. Doug
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/22/10 01:59 PM
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If Regent is sold, how about:
"Ngaire's Seven Seas Cruises."
Just have to educate the cruising public how to pronounce Ngaire! (That could be a challenge)
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/22/10 02:00 PM
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My 21/2 cents
Way back when,Radisson/Regent, was in competition with Crystal Cruises for luxury,larger ship cruisers.There were crossovers and the competition was very close. Then,about 2(?) years ago,the new owners, decided to go after the mass marketing cruise lines passengers from the mega ships. Attracting them with all-inclusive everything,the "dressing-down" policy, etc became prevalient. Has it worked? Must have,as the ships are sailing with fuller loads. Now I'm probably way out here with my thinking,after all, remember,I am "Blonde", but the name of the game is "Profitability"and the owners have to keep the bottom line in the black.
As I said this is just my humble opinion.Pat
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/22/10 02:46 PM
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Pat you are one smart blonde as you always have been - we'll just keep "tripping" while we can afford it and legs keep working 
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12/22/10 03:20 PM
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LOL...I'll drink to that... Ted, if it becomes "Ngaires Seven Seas Cruises"....just think a dedicated POOCH Room.... a dedicated LAMB Chop Restaraunt....a dedicated Chocolate Martini Bar (with a few Manhattans allowed)....Can you just imagine it.....Priceless!!!
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Re: Interview With Mark Conroy
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12/28/10 12:14 PM
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Our local rag publishes a Travel article by Arthur Frommer once a week. Today's article were his projections for the new year for the travel industry. The following is an excerpt related to this topic (at least I thought it was :D ): "A further decline in the quality of the cruise experience: This prediction is based upon my own subjective reaction by nearly all major cruise lines to transform the cruise ship into an amusement park. Despite my own loud protests, it appears that the new, gigantic ships, with their bowling alleys, boxing rings, water chutes, carnival rides and itineraries spending most of the time either at sea or at phony private beaches or artificial villages, are apparently doing well. I base that surmise on the higher cabin prices charged by such behemoths as Oasis of the Seas and Norwegian Epic, and the orders that have now been placed for the construction of more large ships. Increasingly, people seeking a foreign travel experience via cruising or looking for quiet conversation, interaction with their fellow travelers, calm and repose, will have to book the upscale ships still offering those features, or stay away from cruising. " (italics are mine) I think the people to whom Frommer refers in the italics are the "sea" to which Conroy was referring as his fishing grounds. Greg
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