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Good advice about seasickness #6889 02/20/04 11:12 AM
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For anyone who is worried about seasickness, spoiling there cruise, "Soundings" published an article by Jo Ann Goddard containing some excellent information about it's causes and various treatments. She quotes my brother who has spent many years studying it and I have personally found my brother's advice helpful for prevention.

Feeling seasick? You're not alone

By JoAnn W. Goddard


Seasickness is a normal physiological response to conflicting signals reaching the brain from the eyes and inner ear, as well as muscles and joints, over an extended period of time. In other words, what the eyes are seeing don't match what the inner ear is feeling.

On shore, the brain can predict the signals it will receive and can handle momentary changes. On a boat, the repeated and prolonged pitching and yawing disturbs the organ of balance in the inner ear. It's worse when there are additional conflicts, such as reading, cooking or studying charts.

Much research on motion sickness has been done to benefit the space program. Chuck Oman is an offshore cruising and racing sailor, as well as an aeronautical engineer and pilot. A renowned expert on motion sickness, Oman also is director of the Man Vehicle Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Most astronauts get sick at some point in their career, and it's Oman's job to find out why and how to prevent it.

Oman says nine out of 10 people have experienced some form of motion sickness, and virtually everyone with normal inner ear balance functions can be made sick at some point. That threshold can vary from day to day and can be affected by other factors, such as diet. Children are more susceptible. Studies show women are more likely to admit they are seasick, although Oman says there is evidence to suggest that men and women are equally susceptible.

The brain usually adapts to the moving environment within a day or two, hence the expression "getting your sea legs."
The link between the "balance brain" and the emetic center (part of the medulla oblongata thought to regulate vomiting in response to stimuli) isn't clear. This means experts don't really know why the conflict in the ear, or the vestibular system, can cause vomiting. But it frequently does. People also seem to fall victim to seasickness easier if they already have a stomach condition, such as if they are queasy from a hangover, a virus or overeating.

Oman, who lectures at safety-at-sea symposiums and prerace briefings, says the key is to act quickly. Most people wait until they are extremely queasy before taking a seasickness remedy. By then it is usually too late. Early symptoms include headache, fatigue, sweating and yawning.

"As soon as you have symptoms, do something about it," says Oman.

Left unchecked, the condition progresses to pale skin, clamminess, then queasiness.


There are several strategies for dealing with seasickness. Unless the person is extremely ill, the best place for them is on deck - particularly amidships or at the stern where the motion is less pronounced. Eyes should be kept on the horizon, and it's best to avoid reading, navigating and looking through binoculars. Also avoid diesel fumes. Don't drink alcohol, even before the voyage. Eat moderately and frequently, since queasiness seems to be more pronounced with an empty stomach. Crackers and bread are good snacks to keep on hand. Eliminate coffee and drink plenty of fluids, especially non-caffeinated sodas like ginger ale. Get plenty of sleep.

Try sitting upright, keeping the head and upper body balanced over the hips as the boat moves. Others suggest handing over the helm to the seasick person, providing they're not impaired. It forces them to use the horizon, waves, clouds and distant marks as points of reference. It also gives them something to do to keep their mind off the discomfort.

On long voyages, crewmembers will eventually have to go below to sleep if symptoms don't ease. People are less susceptible when lying down with eyes closed. Pillows or soft duffels wedged against them can help minimize the feeling of movement.

There are several drugs on the market that have been found to help prevent motion sickness, or ease its symptoms. Again, the key is to take preventive measures.

"If you're already starting to feel queasy and you take a drug, it's probably too late," says Oman.

Some drugs might not be effective for some people, and some can have potentially dangerous side effects. Experienced cruisers recommend finding out what works before leaving the dock. But consult a doctor before trying any medication, even over-the-counter drugs, since there could be side effects or contraindications with other medicines.

Non-prescription drugs for motion sickness include Bonine (meclizine), Dramamine (dimenhydrinate) and Marezine (cyclizine). They are members of the antihistamine family, which have been relatively effective in preventing motion sickness in some people. The drugs should be taken at least a half-hour before departing, though some recommend taking these pills at least four hours before. Side effects include dry mouth and drowsiness.

Ginger root has been used for centuries to settle upset stomachs. Ginger is available in pills, but boaters also have been known to nibble on ginger snaps or crystallized ginger. Ginger ale works for some. One drawback is that you don't know how much ginger is actually in some products. Like other remedies, it doesn't work for everyone.

"Some people swear by it," says Mahaffy. "Some people swear at it."

Sea-Bands, and other accupressure products, have become popular non-drug alternatives that are safe, non-toxic and inexpensive. The elastic bands are worn around the wrist and apply pressure to the P6 point, about 2 inches below the wrist crease, to quell nausea. There are no side effects, and the bands have been touted to help ease morning sickness in pregnant women. The bands aren't effective for everyone, particularly in rough offshore conditions.

Another product that works on the inside of the wrist is ReliefBand. Developed in the late 1980s by an avid offshore fisherman, the watch-like band emits an electrical pulse that is said to stimulate nerves and ease queasiness. The wearer can choose one of five settings. It sells for about $50.

"Studies have shown that [ReliefBand] is very effective," says Mahaffy.

It has been used by post-chemotherapy patients and pregnant women with chronic morning sickness. It is also one of the few remedies that may work for people who are already seasick. ReliefBand should not be used by people with a pacemaker, and some users may find the tingling feeling a little unsettling.

One of the most popular seasickness remedies isn't available in the United States. Stugeron (cinnarizine) isn't approved by the FDA, but is available in Canada and Mexico, as well as other countries. (It also is available through some Web sites.) It is an antihistamine, a calcium channel blocker and a vascular spasmolytic. Stugeron also is used to treat epilepsy, Meniere's Disease and migraine headaches. It has been shown to inhibit the vestibular system. While touted by many offshore cruisers, medical professionals urge caution in its use. Since it is available in a variety of doses, there have been known cases in which boaters used the wrong dosage.

If homeopathic or non-prescription medicines don't work, there are several prescription drugs available. Since there are side effects and drug interaction warnings, consult your doctor for the best alternative for you.

The scopolamine patch is one solution. The patch stems from NASA research, and for many years astronauts used a combination of scopolamine and dextroamphetamine (to counteract drowsiness caused by the scopolamine). But scopolamine later was rejected because of its side effects, such as personality changes, Oman says. Although rare, these side effects would clearly not bode well for an astronaut on an extended stay in space.

The main ingredient in the patch is scopolamine, an ingredient that has long been known to alleviate nausea. The patch administers steady doses of the drug for three days, by which time most sailors have acquired their sea legs. The patch was taken off the market in 1994 because of manufacturing problems, and reintroduced in 1997. It is extremely effective, Oman says, although the dosage can be too strong for smaller people. Petite women have been known to cut the patch in half, though a doctor or pharmacist should be consulted. Other side effects include dry mouth and, in some people, hallucinations. It isn't recommended for men with prostate problems. Scopolamine also is available in pill form as Scopace.

Also available are Compazine (prochlorperazine) suppositories. Phenergan (promethazine hydrochloride) suppositories are recommended by some health professionals, although most people become so drowsy after using them that they are unable to crew. When all else fails, Oman recommends giving the patient Phenergan and putting them into their berth, accompanied by a sick bag or bucket. Be sensible.

It also is important to keep the seasick person hydrated, so stock up on juices and water. He or she also should try to eat crackers or other bland food to stave off retching.

Chuck Oman is a veteran cruiser and racer - and an expert on seasickness. As director of the Man Vehicle Laboratory at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Oman researches the causes and cures of motion sickness in an attempt to help NASA astronauts deal with some of the unpleasant side effects of space travel. He strongly recommends the pharmacological approach to mal de mer and hesitates to recommend alternatives.

"But there are a bunch of interesting methods out there," says Oman. His 25-year-old daughter, for example, used the ReliefBand to alleviate mild symptoms during a recent delivery from Florida to Rhode Island.

"She felt better," says Oman. "It knocked the tops off the waves of nausea."

There are dozens of remedies that haven't been scientifically proven but have gained acceptance among boaters. "If you believe they will work, they often do," says Oman.

Some boaters have found faithful alternatives to medicine, such as eating ginger or wearing elastic acupressure bands. A lesser-known alternative is Motion Eaze, a blend of seven herbal oils applied just behind the earlobes. Absorbed through the skin, the oil is said to calm the inner ear, calming the symptoms of motion sickness. The solution contains linalol, linalyl acetate, lavandulol, lavandulyl acetate, Terpineol, limonen and caryophyllene. Several sailors have recommended Motion Eaze, and since it contains no drugs or stimulants, it is touted as safe for children. Motion Eaze, available at www.motion-sickness.net, sells for about $16 a bottle.

Other remedies include biofeedback and hypnosis. Biofeedback is a technique to control emotional states by training oneself to modify such body functions as blood pressure or heartbeat. Some have reported that hypnosis has helped them overcome seasickness by helping them focus on something other than misery.

A patch worn over one eye is touted as a motion sickness remedy because it decreases the signals being received by the brain. A line or belt cinched tightly around the waist supposedly will relieve nausea. The pressure helps stop that fluttery feeling inside and probably takes the afflicted's mind off his or her illness.

A Web search turned up horizon-correction glasses to prevent motion sickness. The glasses somehow ensure a view of the horizon, thus preventing sensorial conflict. The glasses retail for about $115. More information is available at www.optic-tempest.com.

The manufacturer of the reconstituted lemon juice, Realemon, say its product can help cure seasickness. A splash of Realemon mixed with one beaten organic egg white is said to prevent the nausea associated with motion sickness. None of the experts interviewed mentioned this method, but some did suggest drinking lemonade.

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Thanks gymswim, that was very interesting! I do believe I got seasick just reading it ;)


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Glad you found the information helpful Karen. As a sidebar, one aspect of cruising that amuses me over the years is observing the number of times I overhear a passenger complaining about being seasick and yet I also remember seeing that passenger drinking excessively the night before. It is curious how seasickness gets blamed even under ideal sea conditions oftentimes. cheer ;)

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I am a private pilot. At the airport we would have students that would get airsick. When they were doing dual with their instructor it was ok to take something. When it was time for them to solo they had to be drug free. Real problem sometimes.
In a flying magazine there was a nice article about ginger root. It does everything that the drugs do but without the side effects.
It really works!! You can buy it in capsules at GNC or most drug stores.
Just thought I would throw this in.
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There is no proof that they work.
Science debunks them.

BUT, I swear by them:
SEA BANDS

All I can say is that they work for me.

Won't get on a ship with out them!

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We go to Catalina once or twice a year and have made the crossing in some fairly rough seas. Didn't bother me at all. Does it stand to reason that I'd do ok on a much larger ship? I do not recall being ill on that 3 dayer, but suffice it to say there is much I do not recall about that trip! Selective blocking, yeah, that's what we'll call it...


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As I mentioned several times on CC, I can be the driver and still get motion sickness <img border="0" alt="[eyepop]" title="" src="graemlins/eye-popping.gif" />
I have tried practically every remedy noted above. For those who get as violently ill as I do... the ReliefBand is a miracle. It is worn like a wristwatch and has NO side effects. I had a friend who fishes in Bimini frequently and he swore by it. We purchased one on VOF, after I was well in the throws of seasickness. It worked within 15 mins. Doesn't cause drowsiness, drymouth, etc. and most importantly, doesn't interact with a glass (or two) of wine ;) ;)


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I may have to try the Reliefbands with all the glowing reviews. I normally use the scopolamine patches but they tend to give me a rash (at the spot that the patches are on) and make my mouth dry (which just makes me drink more wine). Bad physician! :)

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Masaki, the Seabands and the ReliefBand are two different things. Seabands are what DougW uses. They are elastic bands with the pressure point, same theory as the ReliefBand. However, they are inexpensive and have no working parts, they are simply pressure bands. I would try them first. I have used them in the past, but I suppose I am the rare case where they weren't so effective. The ReliefBand looks like an actual watch, battery operated, and sends a little "shock" every four seconds or so. It is fairly expensive, I paid $80 for it on the Voyager. Their website may have it cheaper.
But, it works like a charm!!!!


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I use the SeaBands and Bonine. Regarding Bonine, I take one in the morning and one before bed.....seems to work well.....and I was recently Sea Sick on MCF (Mariner Chilean Fjords)......these little remedies seemed to work for me.

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I use the SeaBands and Bonine too. First, I wear the SeaBands and then if it is really rough I take a Bonine. On this last cruise, the only problem I had was during one of my workouts. I forgot to wear the SeaBands and soon discovered that I get seasick walking on a treadmill looking at the rough water going by. I headed for my suite, took a Bonine and an hour's rest. All was well.


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Kimmi - so if I understand you correctly, even though they work on the same principle, the Seabands didn't work for you but the ReliefBand did? I may still get the ReliefBand first anyway -- I'm a gadgety kind of guy and the ReliefBand appeals to me more than the SeaBands do. :) Is the ReliefBand waterproof?

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I doubt it's waterproof, resistant, absolutely. The seabands are cloth "sweatbands" for lack of a better word, with a pressure point in them (help me out here, Doug). They look like sweatbands. No electronics. Google "ReliefBand" and you'll get it. One has a black face and one had a blue face (I have a blueface). They are for serious motion sickness. As I said, I am probably the token "wacko" case. I have used everything, I hate the after affects. I'm embarassed to say, I have used it in the car here, and in our boat. It is a 22 ft ski/open bow-rider :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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John - I'm like you, I get seasick just watching the water move. :) I get seasick on 1-2 hour whalewatching tours. I can't play certain videogames because I start getting motion sick after a while. I can't do motion simulators like the chariot ride at Luxor or the Star Trek Experience at the Las Vegas Hilton (though strangely enough, roller coasters are fine). I couldn't even think about cruising if it wasn't the existence of the patch, with all of its defects. But I'm always looking for alternatives.

Masaki

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My daughter gets sooooooo seasick so easily. This is what Kimmi uses and also what worked great for my daughter.
Relief Bands


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Masaki, sorry, that's me responding above under Mr. Kimmi :rolleyes: Forgot he was still logged on <img border="0" alt="[Hammer]" title="" src="graemlins/hammer.gif" />


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Thanks for the link ... I think I've seen them at Sharper Image before as well.

Kimmi - no worries. I enjoy talking to both of you guys. ;)

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For those in the know,

Should one just start dosing on Bonine (2x day?)upon boarding and wear the sea bands at night? I'd hate to find out the hard way I am going to get seasick (if you know what I mean). Or just wait and see how it goes...does the Bonine kick in quick? Any idea what the sea is going to be like in Mexico this time of year.


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I still think the Relief Band (the battery operated one that pulsates) is the easiest. It doesn't make you groggy and you can still drink liquor.
P.S. My eldest daughter works in San Mateo and lives in Los Gatos (San Jose)!


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Hi Marcie,

Where in San Mateo does she work?? Somewhat familiar with Los Gatos, as we used to picnic at the lake when I was young, and have eaten at a couple of restaurants there in the last couple of years. We also have some friends who live there. I love the town seal...two Cats!!


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Gatowoman, it worked best for me when I took it prior to boarding. Then it's already in your system. I had bad results if I waited until I was sick and then decided to take it. I believe the label suggest taking it prior to, as well.
Marcie, I didn't know your daughter had the ReliefBand "watch"? How long has she been using it?


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Next question, since Marcie brought it up...okay to have a drink if you are taking the Bonine?


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Yes Kim, my daughter Gina gets very seasick. She got the relief band (like yours) before our Alaskan family cruise. It worked like a charm!!

Gatowoman (I'm sorry I don't know your first name :rolleyes: )work info on my daughter Gina:
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She married a Los Gatos native (they met at U.C.Santa Barbara <img border="0" alt="[Drinking]" title="" src="graemlins/062802drink_prv.gif" /> ). After getting married in 2001, they lived in So. Cal while he got his MBA at U.S.C. but now they've moved back up North....sob sob! confused


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Gatowomen, the effects are specific to each individual. For me, I usually took Bonine or Dramimine (sp?) NON drowsy. Still made me slightly drowsy and really drowsy when I drank alcohol. Since not having a cocktail on a cruise is just not an option for me, my "watch" goes with me every time :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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Hi Marcie,

Allow me to introduce myself, Ana Luisa Aldana, I go by Ana Luisa. I know exactly where your daughter Gina works. She's closer to Foster City, and probably gets off Hwy. 92 to reach her office!


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Ana Luisa, that is a BEAUTIFUL name!!! (maybe you can edit/add that on your signature line)
I know it takes Gina a long time to get to work. She originally managed the San Jose office which was so much closer to home. We're going up to spend the weekend with them this Friday. YEA! YEA!
Oops....sorry for hijacking this thread...giving it back now! <img border="0" alt="[Hammer]" title="" src="graemlins/hammer.gif" />


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Thank you, Marcie! I may get around to doing it before I got back to work. Have you all been to Manresa (in Los Gatos) yet? The commute would be horrible from LG up here.


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I also suffer from awful motion sickness, so I am really happy to hear about Relief Bands. (Ginger and Sea Bands don't prevent it for me AT ALL.) Meclizine works, but it makes me sleepy. Question: Do you keep the Relief Bands on all of the time or just use them when the seasickness starts? Mia


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Bonine (meclizine) definitely works better if you take it before you develop sea sickness. And as others have mentioned, the drowsiness is somewhat individual (for instance, I don't get drowsy at all with the meclizine).

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I think you're supposed to wear the Relief Band the whole time - not just when you're sick. It seems like the goal is to never get sick in the first place rather than trying to alleviate symptoms once they appear.

I usually use the SeaBands and non-drowsy Dramamine or the patch when things are really bad. But I don't like the side effects at all. So, I'll give this a go.

By the way, I just ordered a Relief Band from a website called crewpass.net. It only cost $64 and shipping was free. Much less than through Sharper Image ($120 + shipping). It appears to be the exact same device.

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Mia and Colleen, unlike the other methods (bonine, seabands) you can put the ReliefBand on once you're sick and within several minutes you will feel better. It interrupts your equilibrium and keeps you "on balance." I do not wear it all the time when cruising because the pulsation can irritate your skin after hours of wearing it. Not a big issue, though. I was getting very ill on VOF after Dramimine, Ginger pills, etc. and could not overcome it. We broke down and bought the watch, and within 15 min. I could not believe the nausea went away. The last night on VOF we encountered a dreadful storm, with lots on crashing and thrashing and I wore it all night. It worked!! As you can see, I am a reliefband devotee :D :D :D


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Kimmi- Thanks so much for your input. I am REALLY prone to motion sickness (and not just while at sea), so I'm all about getting the ReliefBand asap! Mia :)


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