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Rovos #221312 03/29/06 12:53 PM
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The itinerary says we get back on the train after our first stop at 7:00. Then we have to get all fancy for dinner. I guess that's going to be one late dinner; grab some snacks, everybody.

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Pam, good idea! By the way, do we get lunch on train just after we leave Cape Town? How open is the open bar; i.e., is it open just at set times or is bar always open?



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Just checking - Ngaire if you read this - if we have almost the whole train, do the guys still need the jacket and tie?


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I was chatting with a girl friend's mother last night about my upcoming trip and when I got to the part about Rovos Rail she about leapt out of her chair! Seems she and her husband did the same journey 4 years ago.

She raved about it! She said the first thing she did upon boarding was plunk herself down in a chair somewhere at the back (?) of the train and was instantly offered a drink. She replied that she'd love one but didn't even know her room number yet as her husband was tending to that. She wasn't aware until then that it was all inclusive and no signing. They were traveling with a wine group and apparently there was never a "problem" getting any sort of adult beverage at any time.

She went on and on about how elegant everything was and mentioned that many of the men wore tuxedos to dinner.

If I see her again in the next few days I can ask more direct questions. Experiencing her enthusiasm just got me even more excited!


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Suzanne, I am not going to chance a tuxedo with regular black shoes again; I took enough harassment from you and Sheri in Venice. ;) However, maybe a white dinner jacket will work. confused



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I was just hoping you would bring a coat and a tie. :D :D ;)

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I will ask about the coat and tie Leslie. Since we have the whole train maybe we can get away with that. I wish we could. With that British background they still be adamant about it but no harm in asking.

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Marc,

You will look absolutely dashing no matter what type of dinner jacket you don!

I tried to find something exotic for you but only came up with this: [Linked Image]
Now if Michele and Don's Doxie was coming along he could be stylin' in this:
[img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VQAAAMoaHJMq!r6iSiYTYuhPLTLPawt7dNeQO2Dt8slTqfI55ke6mJoztUJIuJpZZHked836Dj9WiinJPdju6W6RD9q87CucWmZQ9WHyHKQxKBjSuw!JUprqXDpoJfQe/zebra%20skin%20coat.jpg?dc=4675566232381557865[/img]


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When we were initially talking to Tiffany, before Ngaire came on the scene, she constantly told us that we wouldn't have to do the dress-up thing. She said they wouldn't kick us off the train. She seems to have become less vehement about it lately, though.

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Gosh!

I'm looking forward to getting a little gussied up. It's part of the whole ambiance and elegant experience!!


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Pam I talked to Rovos when I was in South Africa they were absolutely definite about the dinner jacket thing. I just think Tiffany did not know how strict they were. Everywhere else in South Africa is okay this is just a throw back to the "British" attitude I think. I was told by one of the executives it was not possible to eat in the dining car without a jacket of some kind. It could be an unstructured jacket but a jacket nonetheless. I have emailed off already we will see what they say. I carted a jacket around India and dont want to cart one down unless absolutely necessary.

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On a finer point: Assuming jackets for guys are a must, Gary wants to know if ties are also a must. He'd like to bring a silk turtleneck in lieu of dress shirt and tie if possible. Dress slacks a must or are nice khakis OK? Sounds like it but he's seeking whatever clarity is available, please.

Gary's at 21.5 lbs of luggage on his trial duffle pack but hasn't put a few things in as of yet. I'm still ordering stuff. Cheers, Anne

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Maybe it's just me, but I already feel for the three poor souls who are not part of our group.

Imagine if you had paid top dollar for this "experience" and then found the rules had been bent for a "group".

I may be in the minority, but I think we should go with the flow. Sorry, just my opinion. :)


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Ngaire, I remember now that you talked to the Rovos people; I had forgotten (of course, I've slept since you told us that). We wondered about the silk crewneck thing, too; women can get by with black pants and a semi-dressy top but I feel for the men.

I hope that the three people who are not part of our group have been forewarned that they are traveling with a group.

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We are not going - so you all will hate me--- BUT Tony would never go without blazer, tie and shirt even if he had to roll them in little ball for packing -


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Well, Duncan, the dachshund, is quite pleased with the zebra jacket Suzanne has so graciously selected for him.... :) Michele


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I am planning on taking a silk tee for Ken. I think dockers or nice slacks will work. The big thing that was stressed to me at the time was Jackets required. They even said unstructured safari jacket so if that is acceptable a silk tee most certainly would be okay.

I think we will all go out of our way to be nice the lonesome three who will be with us. It could be that we will make their trip more enjoyable we are a lovely bunch after all!!!!

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Response from Rovos. Still, I will NOT take a tie for Ken. That means a completely different type of shirt that I would not normally take. As long as he has a jacket (I have a lightweight travel jacket from travelsmith) and slacks I think a silk tee is in order. That is what I am going to do. Works for informal night on RSSC and I am sure it will be fine for Rovos. I have even seen a black silk tee and black jacket for formal night on RSSC. It is just a "different" formal look. They wont kick us out.

Dear Ngaire

Warm regards from Rovos Rail and many thanks for your e mail. We do look forward to welcoming your group on the train and appreciate the wonderful support!! I am sure the guests will have a memorable journey on our 'Pride of Africa'.

The athmosphere on the train has been designed to capture a 'long lost era' and we therefore have put the request in place that we would like our passengers to 'dress up for dinner'. Whilst we fully understand that the normal passenger to South Africa might not have the space to carry a full dinner suit / evening dress with them, we would like to still adhere to the athmosphere and request clients to at least wear a jacket and tie for dinner. I do hope for your understanding in this regard and we would appreciate that the jacket will fit into the suitcase even with the strict weight limitation. It really is worth the while once clients step into the dining car in the evening and are part of the elegant athmosphere.

Warm regards

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Thanks for the response, Ngaire. Jacket and tie it is! Now to buy myself a pair of sandals ... <img border="0" alt="[naughty]" title="" src="graemlins/naughty.gif" />

Cheers, Anne

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Anne I missed the "NOT" take a tie, I just added the "NOT" to the post. I really think silk tees will work so if you want to do that with Gary that is what Ken is doing. I just dont see taking a shirt as well as all he is going to have is totally casual short sleeve shirts or safari shirts, neither will look right with a tie. A silk tee is so light and easy to pack. It is just a more "contemporary" look.

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As per usual, Ngaire, you get to the heart of the question! Gary's in the Ken wannabe camp so a silk turtleneck just got added to the trial duffle pack. He's also bringing a dress shirt & tie should he prefer that on board. Thanks to good friends who will help us with excess luggage, WE'RE GOING FOR IT!!

Docs came today. :banana: So did tax return. :mecry: Talk about a highlight and lowlight in the same delivery .. Cheers, Anne

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I am going to try to pack lightly. I have never achieved this so far.

Doug is taking a black blazer, a dress shirt, grey silk pants and a tie. This will be his sole nice clothes. He won't wear a "t" without a pocket for his glasses.

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Yup! I do love the pocket 'T's.

Now, I hate ties as much as the next guy, but HEY I wear one every day. It just ain't a big deal to me. (I like restricting the blood flow to my brain)

That being said, some years ago the bank I worked for decided to go business casual. That meant that suit & tie were out..UNLESS you were meeting w/ a client. I po-po'ed it all. No biggie to me.
Then, I experienced the simple out of body joy of not "suiting up" every day.

As a friend once said to me: we are so smart that we get to wear a piece of useless cloth around our necks to look good & feel important.

I could easily forgo the tie, but HEY, I won't forgo dinner on the train... So, I shall bring a tie. It is a simple matter of priorities... (large grin)

Doug

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Here is some additional information on the train. Suzznne, please pay attention to Item 3 and the penultimate sentence in Item 19. :D By the way, what is a "tipple?"

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ON BOARD INFORMATION

The hints enclosed are usually covered in the manager’s pre-departure announcements, but are listed here again for your relaxed perusal.

1. SECURITY. Please close shutters or preferably shutter and window if leaving your suite. If left open the temptation provided for anyone standing on the platform might be too great. Safes are provided in your suite for valuables.

2. The air conditioning unit in your suite is operated by a hand held remote control. Please ensure your host/ess demonstrates the operation of the unit. A setting of 22°'C or less is required for cooling and 23°C or more for heating. The function for cooling or for heating must be set with the temperature. This machine reverses cycle to change its function and this process will take a few minutes. You are best advised to use the automatic setting as per enclosed instruction. This will keep your suite at 22°C (75°F).

When the generators at the end of the train are switched for servicing, there is a momentary break in power and this is sufficient to turn your machine off. Press the start button and the unit will continue on its last setting.

3. Please do not remove anything from the Train. The staff are held responsible for their allocated areas and are obliged to report any shortages to the Manager.

4. There is a fire extinguisher in your suite. Please be quick to apply it if a fire should break out. If it cannot be controlled, please advise staff immediately. There are large extinguishers at the end of each carriage for application by staff. The train will be brought to a halt for the required action. Do not jump from a moving train.

5. It is advisable to open the cold-water tap a little before the hot water when wanting to shower, as the hot water can be very hot.

6. There are bar fridges and tea drawers beneath the table in your suite. Please ask your host/ess to fill them with your preference if not already included.

7. There is a hook outside your door on which to hang the provided red or white tags for room service. If you might need service between 24h00 and 06h00 please ask your host/ess to indicate where he/she is billeted and what his/her telephone number is. (They enjoy being woken around 04h00). Please check your rooming list for a list of all telephone numbers.

8. There is a LIMITED laundry service on board comprising of household washers, dryers and steam irons. The turn around is 48 hours so the staff are not able to handle a week’s worth of washing. Please complete the relevant laundry or pressing document and advise your host/ess if your clothing needs specialist attention. Please note that while we are providing a complimentary service we cannot be held responsible for items which may be damaged or lost in the process.

9. There are maps and itineraries in your suite denoting times of meals, arrivals, etc. We do endeavour to maintain an accurate schedule (logistical gymnastics most times).

If the maps supplied are not comprehensive enough you may purchase a detailed road map from the gift shop. Please find an envelope addressed to me in your itinerary pack which may be used for the comment sheet. There is also an envelope addressed to the Train Manager which may, at your discretion, be used for gratuities for which I thank you in advance. Please do not leave these in your suite but be so kind as to hand directly to the Train Manager.

10. Plug in hairdryers, in addition to your bathroom unit, are available on board. Please ask your host/ess.

11. There are board games, playing cards, a card table and magazines available for your use in the Lounge and Observation Cars whilst on board the train.

12. The electricity on the train is as follows: 220V AC 50Hz • 3 point round pronged wall plug.
International adaptors are available – please ask your host/ess.

13. The make up of the train (generally) is as follows: Behind the locomotives there is a generator car, staff car, guest sleepers, a non-smoking lounge car, two non-smoking 42 seat dining cars (plenty of space for the maximum of 70 passengers carried) with the kitchen car in between (centre of the train), more guest sleepers and the observation car at the tail.

Smoking of cigarettes and cigars only is allowed in the privacy of the suites and in the back half of the Observation Car. I ask that smokers please be as considerate as possible of others and to smoke downwind or as far rearwards as is practical when in the Observation Car.
Please do not throw flammable items such as cigarette or cigar butts off the train, as bush fires in Africa are a constant and dangerous hazard.

Please note that the use of mobile telephones and laptop computers is forbidden in all the public areas. Please use your ‘phone and computer in the privacy of your suite.

14. Breakfast, lunch and a formal dinner, heralded by a gong, are served in one sitting only in the charming Victorian atmosphere of the Dining Cars – meals, carefully prepared, are complemented by a selection of fine South African wines. Meals can be adapted to suit special requirements by prior arrangement.
During the day, the dress is smart, casual and comfortable. Attire that is more formal is worn in the evening on the “Pride of Africa”. A collar & tie is a minimum requirement, please.

15. If passports are required your manager will provide the necessary forms to be filled in, and will endeavour to clear the borders without inconveniencing you (endeavour being the operative word).

16. If you are travelling with us from Cape Town to Victoria Falls or vice versa, we do have an overnight stop in Pretoria. You may leave most of your luggage on board if you wish, but this will be at your own risk. We do have to service the train and this entails electricians, plumbers, carpenters and cleaners working through the carriages. Every endeavour will be made however to protect your belongings.

17. There is a small gift shop on board and at our station premises at Capital Park in Pretoria. Due to the varying exchange rates, the use of credit cards is preferred.
The shop is situated in the centre lounge car and is open between meals. The host/ess on duty has a basic first aid kit and personal essentials (toothbrushes, razors, etc.). She will also fulfil any administrative requirements and check your onward arrangements.

18. Please note that off-train excursions cannot be guaranteed and will only be undertaken if time and circumstances permit. We do our best to fulfil our obligations, but it goes without saying that with many locomotive changes and other logistical permutations it is not uncommon to be delayed in Africa.

19. Lastly, the track over which we travel is inconsistently maintained. If you are a light sleeper and wake at night imagining the train is travelling at high speed, be assured it is the state of the track below that is creating that impression. We restrict the train to 60 kmph and over the bad sections reduce speed to as little as 20kmph. A sleeping tablet or a wee bit more of your favourite tipple might be appropriate. Earplugs are also provided in your amenity bag – not only for the train mind you!




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Wait! What happened to the silk t's that I have packed (somewhere in the vast wasteland of our luggage)??? Collar and tie MINIMUM???

Oh geez.

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A "tipple" of your favorite scotch will help you to sleep. I'll just take an Ambien!

Great information though Marc - I don't think I've seen all of it in my surfing of the Rovos website.

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Here is the link to this page on their website:

http://www.rovos.co.za/on-board.html

Andrea, I agree, I haven't seen this before on their site.



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Marc, I can see you're not working again :rolleyes:

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Do not jump from a moving train.

Got it!


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Originally posted by Leslie B:
[b]Do not jump from a moving train.

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Ranks right up there with the one of the instructions for my new travel hair dryer:

Do not use while sleeping.

<img border="0" alt="[bang]" title="" src="graemlins/banghead.gif" />

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Or the ceiling fan duster

Please turn fan off before using :rolleyes:


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And there I was thinking that the bar fridge from my room would be the perfect souvenir of my Rovos adventure...

Ah well, I guess I'll make a trip to the gift shop. :)


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They enjoy being woken around 04h00

I don't think they'll have to worry about that with THIS group!

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Oliva,

Yes, they will because they will not have been to sleep yet!


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It sounds pretty spectacular!!!!!


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Kathy, I KNOW this is a lively group, but I have never known anyone on a lct cruise to be up THAT late(maybe because I'm not)! Especially since we are coming off safari, when they are waking us up at the ungodly hour of 5:30! I sure hope our body clocks adjust, but here is one lady who will definitely not need room service at 4AM in ANY time zone!

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Agree - last time I knew people who did all nighters were my kids in the 70's and 80's - :mecry: :mecry: :mecry: Joanna


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I thought they'll be waking us up at 5:00 am for the game drives.

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but here is one lady who will definitely not need room service at 4AM in ANY time zone!
I'll take on the *responsibility* and report back, ROARers. 4 am snacks? Around here, that's at LEAST a twice-a-week occurrence. Gary is already groaning in the background. I don't dare start with Ambien .. it'd be out-of-control!

Cheers, Anne

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I can not find the detailed itinerary Cape Town to Pretoria but I did find the reverse; at least gives some information on meal times.

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DAY 1
16:20 In the afternoon you will depart aboard the train. You will be welcomed with champagne and a string quartet at Capital Park Railway Station. Rohan Vos, the South African owner of Rovos Rail, makes it a priority to welcome each and every guest aboard his railway train. A steam locomotive hauls the train in and out of the Pretoria station, adding excitement and atmosphere to your journey

20:00 A three-course dinner is served in the oak panelled dining car. Dress is formal and the evening recreates the romance of a bygone era. After your meal the evening is yours to enjoy, giving you time to relax in the observation car or in one of the several lounges throughout the steam train.


Location: Pretoria, South Africa


DAY 2
10.00 After a leisurely breakfast the train pulls into Kimberly Railway Station. A trip is organised to the famous ‘Big Hole’ where diamonds were mined. There is also a chance to visit the Diamond Museum and take a trip on an old fashioned tram.

13:00 Lunch is served on your return to the steam train. The team of chefs on board are responsible for preparing some classical South African dishes such as bobotie and ostrich carpaccio. The train pulls out of the station and commences its overnight journey via De Aar, Beaufort West and finally Matjiesfontein. Traditional African sundowner cocktails can be enjoyed in the observation car as you watch the scenery go by.

20:15 A formal dinner is served in the dining car. All lounges are equipped with a selection of board games for your enjoyment


Location: Kimberley, South Africa


DAY 3


08:15 Early this morning the train pulls into Matjiesfontein Railway Station

10:30 After Matjiesfontein the steam train winds its way through the picturesque Cape Winelands, it is here that you will see the beautiful South African vineyards. The train passes through the picturesque railway stations of Touws River, De Doorns and Worcester.

13:00 Lunch is served for a final time in the restored dining car.

18:00 As the sun begins to set the Rovos Rail train arrives at Cape Town Railway Station, which is the final destination of your journey. Porters and train hostesses assist you with your luggage and personal effects. Transfers can be organised to your hotel of choice in Cape Town.




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