NHCruiser, my dear frend Bill, has a brilliant mind (you'll lose playing trivial pursuit against him) I would be surprised if he is not a member of Mensa International - thank you Bill for pointing out the correct scorecard - "you know who" doesn't get it - that's where the term "thick Irish" comes from - (and I remember your mother's maiden name) You were a bright star on what was becoming a tedious thread due to "you know who" - and thank you Betty and Denise true members of the informed sisterhood - Joanna