Finally a day at sea and a bit of time. We did get linked up in Copenhagen. Gretchen and Sarah had checked into the hotel and were waiting for me when I got off the train from the Airport.

We liked the Stroget area and would highly recommend the canal boat tour (not DFDS, the one Rick Stevens recommends (same tour half the price)I'll post name later). We also got to see the Changing of the Guard as they marched down the Stroget...very nice. Agree with Andi about Resistance Museum.

Visby was very nice and very doable on your own. We walked the wall, climbed around St. Mary's (built in 1250) ruins and saw a Discovery special being made on Visby ("Action 1 - Sword fight starts; Action 2 - mounted Men at Arms charge"), will be on Discovery's "Medieval Week."

Stockholm was really pretty and IMHO doable on your own. If you've not been and are doing your own I'd recommend a Stockholm card. You'll break even if you do Vasa, the first (10 AM ) canal boat tour and anything else on the card (Skansen, buses, Metro, Aquarium, Nordic Museum, etc). If you get a Stockholm Card and have a minute by Vasa, do the Aquarium they have a great rain forest exhibit (not worth 65Kr but if you have the card well worth the time.

Gretchen, at Andi's suggestion, took to writing "Not before 0800!" on the Room service card. That seems to have worked for both of us.

Andi, was also very correct about the Hermitage. Sarah wanted to see Kandinsky's (sp) paintings and our guide took us up to see his work. Otherwise they do seem to have a set tour of the items people are most interested in. I found being an inch and a half from one of my favorite Monet's nearly a religious experience.

Andi and Doug have really helped to make this trip for us. I think we all really enjoyed our two day St Petersburg tour. I will second Andi's comments about steering you away from non-company stores. Gretchen did however get a really cute picture of Andi in a fur hat! It's not THE Apron but still cute.

Doug did his Frank Sinatra imitation (That's Life) last night at Kareoke and Sarah and I did Elvira. Sarah and John (Asst CD) did a Love Shack duet earlier in the week. What a nice guy!!

Gretchen found another Occupational Therapist on board! Seems there's been one on every cruise so far!!

I think we're going to book Bermuda on board for 2005 (2fer and my birthday)other than that just resting up and (YUCK!!!) packing.



Greg

Your reports are so inticing...oh, to be travel with all of you would be great. Thanks for taking the time to share the fun.

At Sea...

We have finally met more folks and adding them to our list of great people including Greg, Gretchen and Sarah. Gretchen and I had a talk about what we would do differently to get the most out of St. Petersberg and that would be to NOT come back to the ship and do lunch like we did. It wasted too much time. If you can do a quick pack your own lunch or an eat and run, you should do this..there is just too much to see.

If you were to spend 1 minute with each work of art at the Hermitage, you would spend about 11 years here, so you really need to plan your time accordingly. I would like to go back and spend more time in certain rooms. Our guide was really knowledgeable about the art and, while quick, added some fascinating facts for us. I would have just liked to savor some of the art longer.

Crime is becoming an increasing problem. Do invest in a money belt and wear it. Don't bring purses if you can avoid it. I left mine in the car. All of us (no matter what guide or guide service) were steered away from the flea market). We were told to stay away from the Underground.

A shopping day might make sense, but it should be made cost effective. I noticed Red October stores were a fairly decent price. Beluga offered the best prices on caviar. Someone got a great deal on a persian fur ($2500). So, you really need to scope out what you want. I found RO had best quality and prices on gold faberge egg jewely. Try to stay to one store to not waste too much time..2 hours should be just right. There really isn't too much. Faberge eggs (I understand there are some classy stores around some of the better hotels). The ship has some THeo Faberge eggs. Amber is big all over this trip. We were given no time to shop at the museum. Radisson allowed its tours 30 minutes for shopping, but some folks resented that. Sometimes you just can't win!

We finally have had time to bond with folks. This trip had no down time until yesterday evening and today and we are just starting to meet and talk. We have all been running, running, running...It has been odd in that respect.

There are a lot of things to see and let me try to make some sense of things:

Peterhof:

1 hour out of St. Petersberg. A great tour because you get to see the suburbs of the city and how folks live along the way. THERE ARE THREE PALACES HERE and a large Versailles like garden. You should decide what you want to see so you aren't disappointed. The large palace is Russian Baroque and grand, but duplicative with Catherine's Palace. which is supposedly grander. There is also Peter the Great's summer palace, done in Dutch Baroque, but if it's raining you won't get to see it. There is also his daughter's palace next door, done in classic baroque. The garden's and the 160? fountains are the main draws. Know what you what to see.

Catherine's Palace..has the amber room and is out of St. Petersberg. Quite grand and worth the trip..plan to lose an entire morning, with sightseeing along the way.

City tour..interesting, but there are a lot of stops for pictures of statues. Do you care to take pictures of statues? If not, let them know that you don't want to stop.

Canal tour..heard nice things about this.

St Isaacs Church and Spilled Blood..Worth a stop and photo op...Very beautiful places

Hermitage...Know what you want to see

Russian City Museum..Russian artists and impressionists (including Kadinsky and Chagall)

Special homes (look them up and make special requests, authors, etc)

Artillery museums, etc.

Again, there is a lot to see and do..perhaps we'll return for BRAVO next year. It's really a thilling trip and with good friends,it will be extra special.

On a special note: The service and food in all the dining rooms has been spectacular. DOug and I have been eating at Michelin one to three star places in Europe and this ship compares favorably in every way. With our little note to room service, room service was delayed to the right time!

The Head of Housekeeping sent a bottle of Champagne to our suite to apologize for our difficulties with the laundry on top of the apologies and refund. Our steward and stewardess, Victor and Marie are the best we have ever had on any Radisson ship.

The captain opened up the bridge for everyone to visit today.

Bye bye...We'll be sorry to leave.

Andi and Greg,

I've so enjoyed the reports on your wonderful cruise and wish we could have been there to join in the great time you all had.

Thanks for sharing your experiences, which will be of tremendous value to us next year.

Ngaire had mentioned taking the underground; however, I see from your report, Andi, that doing so is discouraged. If this is the case, it's really too bad,as it sounds like quite an experience. I don't know if the experience is worth the risk.

All good things, sadly, come to an end. I know you wish the trip could go on and on. Have a safe journey home!

Honestly the flea markets and the underground are PERFECTLY safe as safe as anywhere else in the world.

The guides (a) dont want you shopping at the flea markets they want you shopping at either the Red October store or a store where they get a kick back. (b) It is a hassle for them to take you into the underground. They would rather not have to mess with this.

I have been "warned" against the flea markets every trip by the guides. Well I have been there three times, twice with a visa and had no guide and had a blast in the flea markets. Spending hours and hours there and wandering the streets. Remember I am one who WILL NOT venture into the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul.

I had to talk our last guide into going into the underground and nearly everyone said it was the highlight of the visit. We actually rode a train on the way back from St. Petersburg and the van picked us up at the other end. The other vans did not get to do this I had to COAX my guide. You do have to be slightly adventurous but only slightly. They do have to keep you together it is a maze and if they lost anyone it could be a mess getting out. I would probably not do that on my own without a guide I would get lost. BUT it is so remarkable in my opinion anyway.

This does make them bad it makes the same as guides all over the world.

If this was a highlight for you, Ngaire, then it's a go for us. We're adventurous - in a group, doing this as you've described.

Will a visa from the ship do, to take this excursion, or will we need to apply for a visa on our own?

I think getting a visa is a good idea. We did, and it was well worth it. We were able to wander on our own, and didn't have to be with an organized ship's tour. We did get a private guide for a day (through Radisson) and though we missed the underground it was great to go where we wanted, stay as long as we wanted (within reason - there was alot we wanted to see) and shop where we wanted - such as the flea market across from the Church of the Spilled Blood. And there were a couple of shops and a cafe near the ship, which we enjoyed visiting just to people watch. Not possible without a visa.

Thanks, Sue. We will surely look into obtaining visas.

No dont get a visa Denise. I do agree with the poster above it is wonderful to be "free".

However, with the way the ship parks way out and trying to get to taxis to do your own thing it is very very difficult now.

We will do a van with Red October, she will be our "guide" but she wont be our guide if you know what I mean. She will simply be there to meet the criteria of the Russians and we will wander and "guide" her in essence she will be our visa. Using her will be cheaper than us all getting visas.

Excellent, Ngaire. We will follow your wise lead! As always, you take care of us so well! Thanks!

As I've said before, we cannot wait to take this cruise!

Thanks so much for all the postings. We can't wait to go. Wish we could fast forward to our hotel in Moscow and ship the Longgggg flights. Talked to Ngaire and told her we probably will go again next yr on Aug 6th. She said to book it while on the ship and make the deposit. Will do that. We can always cancel if we have too. Of course, this depends on how much we enjoy this trip. From what I have read it will be wonderful. I am off work now until Sept. 26th. Return home from Lisbon on the 15th of Sept. We have a new baby granddaughter by then; I think. Due Sept 13th! We are packed and just have to get our papers in order.

Perhaps Doug and I will need to do this again and see what we want to see! Our guide was knowledgeable, but certainly had her own agenda. I felt rushed and pushed in her direction. She was lovely though. However, none of us knew better, so we couldn't push back.

Denise, this is the cruise for you to RESEARCH!!!!!!! Doug and I kept saying "We wish we had had Denise here to research this for us!"

We are home in Basel. Finally. And Doug has a story to tell. It's a doozy.

Welcome back Andi! Is Doug with you still or did he head back to NY already?

Masaki

He's still with me. He goes back Monday morning. So, I still have 2 days with him.

We had an interesting day in Germany today.

Welcome back, Andi and Doug, Greg and Gretchen and Sarah.

Can't wait to hear further details! Rest up and POST, POST, POST! Looking forward to the doozy of a story. Common Doug, dish the dirt!

Now...ON TO DOF!!!

Doug here on Sedona's ID.

After a full day of train travel from Denmark to Switzerland (go on find a map to check the distance, I'll wait.), we are in our Switzerland home together until Monday when I return to NY.

Denise: Sorry but the story has no dirt in it. However, it is a tale for which the world is not yet ready. But I shall write and post it anyway sometime after I return to the US.

The cruise was wonderful. Truly wonderful. No cruise can ever be 100% perfect, and no crew member can ever be 100% flawless; but BAT came awful close to that unatainable goal!

Doug

We're back at CDG. Had a wonderful seond day in Copenhagen. Stayed at airport Hilton last night and it was really nice. The couple that were in the Master Suite sat across the aisle from me on the flight here. He is bringing 200 folks from his company on this cruise next year (30 July-6 August). We wound up getting an open ooking as we couldn't agree on what's next. Gretchen is leaning toward a SA segment that starts or ends at Lima so we an do Macchu Pichu.

Greg

Welcome home, everyone! Have really enjoyed all your postings (and can't wait to hear your special story, Doug!.) Thanks for sharing! :app:

The suspense is killing me, Doug. Such a big build-up. This must be really, really prime!

Greg, how accessible is the Copenhagen Hilton from seeing the sights? We have HH points we may wish to redeem there.

Doug will write up his story from the states early next week. I promised I wouldn't pre-empt him. I wonder if his version will be the same as mine? hmmmmmmmmm. Title of my story. "My Darling Daughter, I lost your father in Europe."

OH....MY....GOD....!

I will be checking while on the Voyager. By the way, what was your cabin number? We are 952. Anxious to hear the story. Guess you must of found him! :app:

664. He is all tucked in.

Judy and John, I wish I could stow away with you..wait until you see all that there is to do. There just isn't enough time to shop. Perhaps you need to do a back to back!!! Have a wonderful time and be safe.

I have a few more tidbits to add to your enjoyment of this cruise:

The ship: Minor vibration issues only. The situation seems corrected. Gil's room is fixed. I asked the folks in it. I think that the right side of the ship offered the most interesting views. Our left hand side offered sea views, but no port views.

Temporary Exhibits:

The State Hermitage: Jewelry History 1: traces the history of jewelry from CII century BC to CC century

The Menshikov's Palace: Private Porcelain Factories of Russia

Peter and Paul Fortress: Image of the town and townsmen: 1921-1928 Everyday life of the people

Rumyantsev's Mansion: Behind the Doorstep of Old Apartment/life in Petersberg's tenement housing

Smolny Cathedral: The Amber Room exhibition timed to the opening of the room at Catherine's palace tell the story of the Amber Room's interior.

Tsarskoe Selo: Royal Court Carriage exhibition; Alexander II exhibition; Treasures Regained exhibition

Hermitage: Lost treasures stolen from Jewish families during WWII(temporary exhibit). The Museum is currently housing the exhibit while ownership is being argued.

Main Points of Interest ( over 100 working museums!!! I won't list them all)

Hermitage: 5 Buildings including the Winter Palace. Da Vinci, Raphael, Impressionists, Rembrandt, Rubens, Post-impressions, Matisse, Picasso, Gold Room, Sculpture, coins, medals, acheologic materials. We allowed 2-3 hours...not enough if you are an art lover.

Menshikov's Palace: Palace of the city's first general governor. 18th century. first stone building.

State Russian Museum: Russian art including Chagall. (I understand that this is great for an art lover and a second time visitor to the city)

Marble Palace:18th century museum using over 30 tints of marble

Stroganoff Palace: History of Russian Porcelain

St. Isaac's Cathedral: Beautiful and grand cathedral (we saw this...usually shown to all)

Our Saviour Of the Blood Cathedral: Russian style architecture. Interesting (we saw this...usually shown to all)


Peter and Paul Fortress: Burial vault of Peter the Great and other Tsars, museums, mint, etc

Summer Palace of Peter the Great

Cabin of Peter the Great

Central Naval Museum

Battleship Aurora

Museum of the History of Religion

The Historical Museum Smolny: All about the October Revolution and Lenin

Museum of the Polical History of Russia

Rumyantsev Mansion: 900 day seige history

Dostoyevsky Library and museum

Palace and Park ensemble Gachina (first landscaped park in Russia)

Oranienbaum: several palaces of Peter III/Chinese Pavilion, palace of Peter III, Chinese Palace

Pavlovsk: home of Emperor Paul I and Empress Maria Fedorovna

Tsarskoye Selo (Catherine's Palace)..Amber Room (this is a room totally made of amber and stolen by the Nazi's). It has been recovered in part and fully restored (some parts have been reconstructed). In fact, the entire palace has been reconstructed. The Nazi's almost totally ransacked the palace to bare bricks as most was covered in precious materials.

Peterhof: Extensive gardens and over 150 fountains; 10 museums including the Grand Palace, Monplaisir, Catherine's Block, Marli, The Kitchen, the Museum of Collectors, Private Room of Catherine the Great, the Bath Block, the Chapel,etc. You need to decide how much time you want to spend walking the extensive grounds or would you rather see the interiors of three palaces, all decorated quite differently. If the weather is bad, you cannot see Monplaisir. Some folks were taken to the Grand Palace. We weren't told the difference. Our guide decided to do the grounds and take us to a lesser palace since she said that the interior of the Grand Palace were similar to Catherine's Palace. The ride to this Palace complex was fascinating.

Palace of Peter the Great: Wooden Palace

I hope this helps you see that you could spend one day in just one place or a week at just the Hermitage.

We saw Catherine's Palace, Catherine's Block and Garden's at Peterhof, Highlights at the Hermitage and had a city tour in two days. The City tour included a lot of monuments and stops for picture taking. I would have sped up the city tour and not have stopped for pictures and spent more time either in the the Hermitage or at another site. It's awfully hard to decide what to do, but I hope this gives you a good start. Now where do you find time to shop? I know, just don't stop to eat!!

What an incredible list! I would hardly know where to begin - it all looks too fabulous for words!

I know BAT is all over with. It's just a wonderful memory. Doug left this morning :( at 6:15 :banana:

I can't wait to see Greg's pictures to bring back some of the wonderful memories with our newly found LCT friends. :lct:

MY room? Is there a plaque there in my honor?
Can I collect rent? Goldpoints?

:banana:

Yes, there is a little teeny engraving in my mind that says "Gil whined here."

Heehee!

Masaki

A postscript about quality of faberge egg jewelry in the Red October Store in St. Petersberg. I bought an egg for $199 EU (solid gold). I ran into my goldsmith here in Basel and he took one look at it and studied it and told me it was done by a very fine company called Anarova and is a very high quality and, with the 22% discount ($159EU), was a very good value. He says the stones in the egg are diamond chips.

Gretchen, Sarah and I all agree that we enjoyed this trip more than expected. Part of the reason is that we are sort of "on our own sort of folks" and the ports we visited leant themselves to visiting that way. The one exception was St. Petersburg where we shared a guide with Andi and Doug.

That said here are some random observations:

Voyager Staff -
Saw a lot of familiar faces, Melanie, Horst and Ismail in the Compass Rose and Franco running the Bars.
Theresa and Gustav, our room stewards were excellent. Theresa was relatively new but really a pleasure to have take care of us. Very unobtrusive! Ice bucket always filled and drinks replaced promptly; two things I've whined about in the past.
Everyone we talked to preferred the Voyager to other RSSC ships because of the crew facilities and the variety of tasks for the wait staff (with four dining venues).
Gretchen and I still prefer the Navigator. I think the Signatures option is superior to the Portofino but still like the general feel of the Navigator. Not easy to explain.

Room Service (only talking about breakfast) -
Early arrival seemed to be a problem (Andi's already commented). Explaination was that "a lot of rooms had odered Room Service" for the 0700-0730 window so they started delivering around 0645. We weren't happy campers.
Set up was inconsistent. Sometimes the table, tablecloth and food was all arranged and laid out. Other times the tray was just set onthe table. This is a small thing but Radisson has set a high bar for themselves and we've been spoiled in the past.

Dining rooms -
I'd say excellent service and food all around. Horst did offer an extra "Rack of Lamb" for me the last night. How could I turn down such a gracious offer.
Only negative was in the Veranda restraunt where the Boulabaise (sp?) was very different (not a tomato based sauce) and the Antipasto Bar wasn't as robust as what I remember from the Mariner.

Suites -
We were in 777, two suites from the stern and did notice the vibration. Did not notice it in any of the public rooms. Also noticed a rattle in the ceiling and in the sliding glass door. Sarah fixed the latter by shutting the curtain in the door. All of these comments made it to our comment cards also. Sarah's reaction to the vibration was that it was like the "magic fingers" in hotel rooms without having to put quaters in (I do not want to know how she knows that, but that's a later discussion). This all comes back to Ngaire's comment that we "noticed" BUT weren't "bothered" by the vibration.
We also had a slow draining shower. One night it overflowed and when maintenance came up (right away BTW) they cleaned some hair out of the drain. We had noticed a couple of days before that another suite on out deck (about 771, I think) had a shower overflow.

Internet Cafe-
Two design features contributed to slowness on occassion. First, the cafe was designed with the same bandwidth as the Mariner but with twice the number of computers. Also, the antenna was frequently masked and will always be at high or low latitudes (I'm assuming they're using a satillite link). Antenna sighting on a ship is a tough problem due to co-site interference so this is a difficult challenge.
Downloading digital photos to my memory stick was a GREAT advantage. I think I overheard the Cafe Manager say that RSSC was going to start charging for this function in the future. Yuck!!!

Kids -
There were about 40 kids on board. Whether it was because they were well behaved, the Mariner Club, or the port intensive itinerery; they were hardly noticable in any venue on Voyager. My hat's off to the parents!
Sarah indicated she felt a bit of "age discrimination" in the Constellation Theater. Sarah is 25 and looks about 18. She made "eye contact" with a couple of different waiters (when she was by herself) and could not get waited upon. One time when I came in and sat next to her a waiter came right over and asked me if I cared for anything, still ignoring Sarah. This only happened in the Constellation Theater and in no other venue.

Cruise Director and Asst CD -
I think Glenn (the CD) and John (ACD) are worth special note. Both were outstanding. Glenn put together a little video that showed the last night with various staff saying goodbye to the tune of Mr. Bojangles. John's Kareoke, trivia, and general hosting were great...even if it did cost him a Knighthood. One night we had dinner with Glenn(she is really an interesting person) and John and I mentioned that the Francis Coppolla (sp?) we'd had on Navigator was one of our favorites. His immediate response was, "REALLY! Why that's one of my favorites, too." He then ordered some for the table. He is really a neat and fun guy. We all look forward to sailing with him again.

Hotels in Copenhagen -
The Airport Hilton is a very nice hotel co-located with Airport and Train Station. Trains to the Central Station come by about every 20 minutes or so, cost 25DKK (about $4) each way and takes 15-20 minutes into town. If you have a deal here it's very good for seeing town. If you have an early morning plane, its a great place to stay the last night. If you want to stay here after disembarking take a taxi from the Langeline docks to the Oesterport Station (about 50DKK) then the train to the Airport; drop your bags then take the train back to town. Worked well for us.
Hotel Ascott is a good value near Tivoli, especially if you have a third party (child, mother-in-law, etc) with you and the Breakfast (included) is GREAT! 1100DDK for triple (825DDK for double)with Breakfast and little kitchenette. No air conditioning, small, but very servicable.

Resources-
We found Rick Steven's Scandinavia to be a great guide book for Copenhagen, Stockholm, and Tallinn. The self guided walking tours are great and his recommendations on canal boat tours etc. seemed to be spot on.
We found the Stockholm card a good buy for first time visitors like us. Two Stockholm natives (North-Bound and Ekan)post on CC Ports board and are very helpful.

Sea Days-
We missed having a couple of Sea Days. This itinerery, while grand, didn't allow much time for experiencing the ship, meeting other passengers, or napping.

GREAT TRIP! We REALLY enjoyed this one.

Oh, if you're a beer drinker, try the Saku in Tallinn. We were pleasantly surprised.


Greg

Greg:

re: The Bouillabaisse (aka Fish Soup).
While I did not have it at La Veranda as you did, I seem to recall that it was billed (being the geek that I am, I read all the menus each day) as Marseille Bouillabaisse. This is very different from the tomato based stuff we are used to in the states.
Frankly, I would have been as puzzled as you were had Andi not scheduled our pre-cruise in the South of France AND had we not had dinner in Marseille for the specific purpose of having bouillabaisse where it is supposed to have originated!
Marseille's version of this fish soup is a bit different from what we are used to.
First, the soup stock is not (as you pointed out) the tomato based stock that we are used to. Instead it is Court Bouillon. This is a classic stock. I bet you can find at least 2 recipies on the food channel web site!
Then the fish is not served in the broth. Rather it is served on the side for you to add to your soup as you deem, along with the saffron potatoes. The roux is also served on the side. You add this, often spicy, mix to your soup to your taste to thicken and spice the dish.
At least that is the classic version and how we were served it in Marseille. Since I did not have it on board, Greg, how close to what I described was the dish you were served?

Also, worry not, my friend, about how your delightful daughter knows of 'magic fingers'. I fear that it was I who made the reference, which Sarah repeated.
Do such things even exist anymore? Are they still a quarter? Is anything?

Doug (in NY, but still jet lagged)

Very close. The fish and potatoes were served in the broth which was saffron spiced, but no roux and certainly not very spicy. I was brought up with the Embarcadero version along with "Chippino," what my Dad described as a "poor man's Bouillabaisse." Chippino is rather more garlicly than Bouillabaisse I've had in San Francisco and the crustaceans are still in shell; so it's a bit of a mess to eat. Would have loved to have tried the Paella the night before at La Veranda but that was the night we were booked into Lattitudes.

Did you get the pics?
Greg

I had no idea you two were such food afficienados! I am very impressed!

Great report, Greg. I fully expected nothing less than great from you! Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Magic fingers, Doug?...(Very evil grin)

Greg, so looking forward to seeing the pics!! Doug or Greg, do send them along. I am missing the trip already and DOF isn't coming soon enough. I may hop a jet and go somewhere this weekend to ease the pain.

Judy and John must be having such a wonderful time, that there leaves no extra time to post!

Yes, Greg, WE WANT PICTURES...PLEASE!

Andi, if you think you are in pain - I haven't had vacation since VOF. Just a quick day here and there, but nothing more substantial. I am running on "pain overload." Hope you get to fly to someplace terrific.


Speaking of which, may I have a recommendation of a low cost carrier from Copenhagen to Stockholm?

Eric the Red? The Vasa? I really don't know. Try EasyJet maybe? There may be a ferry?

Greg,
Was Ismail , the waiter in Compass Rose the same person in my avitar? He is from Turkey and originally on the Navigator our last 2 cruises. I ask because we got to be such good buddies and I look forward to seeing him again in March.

I am not Greg, but yes, it looks like the same person. He was from Istanbul and was a real sweetheart.

Suzie,
Same guy! He made a big hit with us on our Trans Canal on Navigator; and my daughter thought he was a real "cutie" I believe is the word. Really a top notch waiter on top of it all.
Greg

Suzie,
Same guy! He made a big hit with us on our Trans Canal on Navigator; and my daughter thought he was a real "cutie" I believe is the word. Really a top notch waiter on top of it all.
Greg