Pam I talked to Rovos when I was in South Africa they were absolutely definite about the dinner jacket thing. I just think Tiffany did not know how strict they were. Everywhere else in South Africa is okay this is just a throw back to the "British" attitude I think. I was told by one of the executives it was not possible to eat in the dining car without a jacket of some kind. It could be an unstructured jacket but a jacket nonetheless. I have emailed off already we will see what they say. I carted a jacket around India and dont want to cart one down unless absolutely necessary.