We used to do a lot of travel with business groups; Mark would buy a lot of material from a distributor who would take us (and other customers) on a trip. Sometimes that would be two-four trips in a year. But there aren't as many now, and several of them we've handed off to Jason; the last one was just before ROAR and was on a dive island in Belize.

We have tried to take the kids and grandkids somewhere every couple of years; had one interruption when Sarah was too young, but now she's been to Disney World twice before the age of four.

We are into more quality than quantity these days; cruise/land tour, ROAR, that kind of stuff.